Pipe Tobacco Blends: Under The Label

[NeverBend]

The idea of this thread is to connect the dots between the myriad of pipe tobacco mixtures available today and to post the names and characteristics of blends that you find to be very similar or identical. Being correct isn't really the point, rather to have a community discussion on those tobaccos that you think should be grouped together, either because they are, in fact, identical, or close enough in your estimation that other smokers can profit from that knowledge. I think this should be an ongoing thread and if we do a good job the the comparisons should, perhaps, be put into a stick pr reference thread for other smokers to access when contemplating blends.

An examples in a format that you can use (and improve) as you like.


Mild-medium Virginia Flake, made in Denmark.

1. Peter Stokkebye, Luxury Navy Flake
   
2. Comoy's Cask #4
   

I can't distinguish between the two, visually or in smoking. Everything about these 2 mixtures seems to be the same and I believe that they are, in fact, the same tobacco under different labels. Flakes need specialized equipment so that the same country of origin is meaningful (in this case).


Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake Comoy Cask #4

Images may not be always be accurate but in this case they look correct.

[c.ortiz108]

Great idea! There seems to be debate about whether

Stokkebye Luxury Bullseye Flake =
Davidoff Flake Medallions =
Comoy's Cask No. 7

[NeverBend]

Great idea! There seems to be debate about whether

Stokkebye Luxury Bullseye Flake =
Davidoff Flake Medallions =
Comoy's Cask No. 7

Hi Chico,

Your questions inspired the thread. It's not meant to knock any tobacco but to inform us all, based on experience, so that we can make better choices.

I've only smoked the Stokkebye (photo on the right). The Comoy is beaten up some but they look very similar made in the same difficult pressing technique and all made in Denmark. Anyone tried more than one of these?

[BryGuySC]

The guy on this thread did a good job comparing differenV Capers. He talks about the similarities of the coins.
Virginia/Perique (VaPer) Showdown - Page 5 - Cigar Asylum Cigar Forum

[NeverBend]

The guy on this thread did a good job comparing differenV Capers. He talks about the similarities of the coins.
Virginia/Perique (VaPer) Showdown - Page 5 - Cigar Asylum Cigar Forum

Bryan, thanks for the link.

I believe that this is his 'master list' of VaPers, not necessarily the same cut, strength (etc.) but all of the same generic type. It's possible that some are the same mixture. I added some entries at the bottom from what's already been discussed here.

1) McConnell Scottish Cake
2) Samuel Gawith’s St. James Flake
3) GL Pease Tribute
4) Escudo
5)GL Pease Triple Play
6) GL Pease Filmore
7) Former’s Straight Grain Flake
8) H & H AJ’s VaPer
9) Low Country’s Waccamaw
10) Peretti’s Park Square
11) John Patton’s Cool Hand Fluke
12) H & H Rolando’s Own
13) H & H Anniversary Kake
14) G & H Louisiana Flake
15) Sherlock Holmes Pipe Club VR Blend
16) C & D Poplar Camp
17) Dunhill Elizabethan Mixture
18) C & D Night Train
19) H & H Louisiana Red
20) C & D Bayou Morning Flake
21) Reiner’s Long Golden Flake
22) Treasures of Ireland - Limerick
23) Dorchester
24) Solani #633
25) Luxury Bullseye Flake
26) McClelland Bulk 2015
27) GL Pease Telegraph Hill
28) Kajun Kake
29) Luxury Navy Flake
30) Dan Tobacco's Tordenskjold Virginia Slices

PS Added: 8-23-15
31) Davidoff Flake Medallions (Stokkebye Bullseye Flake)
32) Comoy Cask #7 (Stokkebye Bullseye Flake)
33) Comoy Cask #4 (Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake)

[c.ortiz108]

I've only smoked the Stokkebye (photo on the right). The Comoy is beaten up some but they look very similar made in the same difficult pressing technique and all made in Denmark. Anyone tried more than one of these?

Comoy's appears to be owned by Stokkebye, according to this website Comoy’s – Cask #7 | Confessions of a Pipe Smoker, while DFM is made by Orlik (according to TR). I wonder if Orlik manufactures for PS? I also wonder if these are essentially the same only made with slightly varying grades of tobacco. I guess there are no "apprentice rollers" in the pipe world, so cost differences wouldn't be due to manufacturing.

I believe that this is his 'master list' of VaPers, not necessarily the same cut, strength (etc.) but all of the same generic type. It's possible that some are the same mixture. I added some entries at the bottom from what's already been discussed here.

1) McConnell Scottish Cake
2) Samuel Gawith’s St. James Flake
3) GL Pease Tribute
4) Escudo
5)GL Pease Triple Play
6) GL Pease Filmore
7) Former’s Straight Grain Flake
8) H & H AJ’s VaPer
9) Low Country’s Waccamaw
10) Peretti’s Park Square
11) John Patton’s Cool Hand Fluke
12) H & H Rolando’s Own
13) H & H Anniversary Kake
14) G & H Louisiana Flake
15) Sherlock Holmes Pipe Club VR Blend
16) C & D Poplar Camp
17) Dunhill Elizabethan Mixture
18) C & D Night Train
19) H & H Louisiana Red
20) C & D Bayou Morning Flake
21) Reiner’s Long Golden Flake
22) Treasures of Ireland - Limerick
23) Dorchester
24) Solani #633
25) Luxury Bullseye Flake
26) McClelland Bulk 2015
27) GL Pease Telegraph Hill
28) Kajun Kake
29) Luxury Navy Flake
30) Dan Tobacco's Tordenskjold Virginia Slices

PS Added: 8-23-15
31) Davidoff Flake Medallions (Stokkebye Bullseye Flake)
32) Comoy Cask #7 (Stokkebye Bullseye Flake)
33) Comoy Cask #4 (Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake)

Are those in any particular order?

[NeverBend]

Comoy's appears to be owned by Stokkebye, according to this website Comoy’s – Cask #7 | Confessions of a Pipe Smoker, while DFM is made by Orlik (according to TR). I wonder if Orlik manufactures for PS? I also wonder if these are essentially the same only made with slightly varying grades of tobacco. I guess there are no "apprentice rollers" in the pipe world, so cost differences wouldn't be due to manufacturing.

Are those in any particular order?

Hi Chico,

I don't know if these tobaccos (list) are in any particular order other than the three that I added at the end.

Orlik was part of the Cadogan portfolio of brands and hasn't (to my knowledge) manufactured anything in over 30 years. Orlik, once an English company, is now extinct except for the use of it's name on Danish made tobaccos and while I'm not sure who TR is, Davidoff Flake Medallions are made in Denmark so it must be either Stokkebye (probable) or MacBarren.

I don't know if Stokkebye owns the Comoy's or Orlik names outright or just for use with tobaccos or even if they own it at all. The difference is that the Davidoff name wouldn't be owned by Stokkebye. I'm sure that the young fellow who wrote the blog is very nice but his knowledge about tobaccos is very limited and he shouldn't be considered an information source. For example, he writes,

One thing I really appreciated about this blend was how the Black Cavendish tobacco was packed into the center of the coin, not just dispersed randomly throughout. What this tells me is that Comoy’s cares greatly about their tobacco. The time and finesse it takes to accomplish something that honestly adds so little to the tobacco is a true testament to the quality of this blend.
No. It's more difficult to intersperse the black cavendish but it wouldn't really be random because any flake processing has a method to it's preparation. He made this up or was told this by someone who made this up or they were told by someone who did (etc.). Thus the problem with much Internet content about pipes, tobaccos and cigars on the Internet (and other things of course).

One thing I noticed about this blend is that when rubbing it out, I could really feel the oil and the nicotine collecting on my fingers. It reminded my of Mac Baren Bold Kentucky and how I got a nicotine buzz from just absorbing the oil on my fingertips. Cask #7 was not nearly that bad, but it was most definitely an oily tobacco.This made me blink. He got a nic buzz from touching the tobacco?? I guess he gets drunk looking at Jack Daniels bottles too? Maybe if he chewed a flake.

Pete

[BryGuySC]

Are those in any particular order?

The OP was rating them. #1 being his favorite.

[BryGuySC]

Scandinavian Tobacco Group lists the following makes in their brand list:

Balkan Sasieni
Borkum Riff
Captain Black
Crown Achievement
Erinmore
Escudo
Five Brothers
Half and Half
Lane Bulk
Orlik
Paladin
Peter Stokkebye Bulk
Sail
Sir Walter Raleigh
Skandinavik
Smoker's Pride
Stanwell
Troost
Velvet
W.Ø. Larsen

I didn't see anything about specific processing plants, yet.

[c.ortiz108]

Hi Chico,

I don't know if these tobaccos (list) are in any particular order other than the three that I added at the end.

Orlik was part of the Cadogan portfolio of brands and hasn't (to my knowledge) manufactured anything in over 30 years. Orlik, once an English company, is now extinct except for the use of it's name on Danish made tobaccos and while I'm not sure who TR is, Davidoff Flake Medallions are made in Denmark so it must be either Stokkebye (probable) or MacBarren.

I don't know if Stokkebye owns the Comoy's or Orlik names outright or just for use with tobaccos or even if they own it at all. The difference is that the Davidoff name wouldn't be owned by Stokkebye. I'm sure that the young fellow who wrote the blog is very nice but his knowledge about tobaccos is very limited and he shouldn't be considered an information source. For example, he writes,

One thing I really appreciated about this blend was how the Black Cavendish tobacco was packed into the center of the coin, not just dispersed randomly throughout. What this tells me is that Comoy’s cares greatly about their tobacco. The time and finesse it takes to accomplish something that honestly adds so little to the tobacco is a true testament to the quality of this blend.
No. It's more difficult to intersperse the black cavendish but it wouldn't really be random because any flake processing has a method to it's preparation. He made this up or was told this by someone who made this up or they were told by someone who did (etc.). Thus the problem with much Internet content about pipes, tobaccos and cigars on the Internet (and other things of course).

One thing I noticed about this blend is that when rubbing it out, I could really feel the oil and the nicotine collecting on my fingers. It reminded my of Mac Baren Bold Kentucky and how I got a nicotine buzz from just absorbing the oil on my fingertips. Cask #7 was not nearly that bad, but it was most definitely an oily tobacco.This made me blink. He got a nic buzz from touching the tobacco?? I guess he gets drunk looking at Jack Daniels bottles too? Maybe if he chewed a flake.

Pete

Curiouser and curiouser.... So ultimately a lot of these brands will be traceable back to a few manufacturers and therefore presumably the same factories, meaning some are probably identical or close (the equivalent of "seconds").

TR = tobaccoreviews.com. Apologies for the obscure abbreviation.

I guess I glossed over the part about the nic buzz through his fingers! I'd been reading a news article about medical marijuana a few minutes earlier, so I was probably stoned....