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NeverBend Blending Experiment 11-01-2015, 01:27 AM
Lostmason Well it looks as though I get... 11-01-2015, 11:13 AM
AndyCAYP Sounds like Pete's work needs... 11-01-2015, 11:51 AM
Alligator Gar I have smoked all four... 11-01-2015, 10:11 PM
NeverBend Hi Matt, Tobacco mixtures... 11-02-2015, 01:58 AM
c.ortiz108 Tried both A and B today. I... 11-02-2015, 09:42 PM
Alligator Gar B had a bright, hay start... 11-02-2015, 09:53 PM
c.ortiz108 I did smoke it straight after... 11-02-2015, 09:59 PM
Alligator Gar Try C tomorrow. She's pick... 11-02-2015, 10:08 PM
Lynn dang ya guy's just had to do... 11-02-2015, 09:59 PM
Lostmason Sumtin ta do whilest yer... 11-02-2015, 11:23 PM
NeverBend Smoking some Mixture B (batch... 11-18-2015, 04:27 PM
Lynn I swear ol NeverBend musta... 11-02-2015, 10:16 PM
Desertlifter Blending stuff is fun. More... 11-02-2015, 11:17 PM
NeverBend Blending notes: I've added... 11-20-2015, 01:58 PM
droy1958 I have so much to learn about... 11-30-2015, 07:01 PM
Lostmason Smoking sample "A" in a... 11-03-2015, 12:51 PM
Lostmason Smoking sample "D" in my DG... 11-04-2015, 08:17 PM
c.ortiz108 Tried C tonight - the other... 11-04-2015, 08:43 PM
Lynn Now come on..you guys must be... 11-04-2015, 08:53 PM
Lostmason It is amazing how many IQ... 11-04-2015, 09:16 PM
Lynn Im confused all the time...an... 11-04-2015, 09:19 PM
c.ortiz108 You must have missed the... 11-04-2015, 09:48 PM
Lynn I aint got no top hat just a... 11-04-2015, 09:58 PM
NeverBend Evening Gents, You say... 11-04-2015, 10:20 PM
BryGuySC Thanks for all of this... 11-05-2015, 11:51 AM
Emperor Zurg Mixture A is the only sample... 11-05-2015, 06:06 PM
NeverBend Some blending notes: I... 11-04-2015, 10:56 PM
c.ortiz108 Thanks, Pete - interesting... 11-05-2015, 04:45 PM
NeverBend First, I'm not going to LIKE... 11-06-2015, 12:08 PM
AndyCAYP This has been an amazing read... 11-05-2015, 05:48 PM
NeverBend Hi Andy, Sorry for the... 11-10-2015, 08:36 PM
Alligator Gar Before this thread existed I... 11-05-2015, 08:15 PM
cpmcdill *Blend C Smoked this a few... 11-13-2015, 11:43 PM
Alligator Gar Reposted in the correct... 11-05-2015, 09:41 PM
NeverBend The phenomena that I'm... 11-05-2015, 10:41 PM
BryGuySC I took a couple of the... 11-09-2015, 10:19 AM
GWBowman I seem to be running behind.... 11-09-2015, 09:30 PM
NeverBend Good and accurate comments... 11-10-2015, 08:42 PM
Emperor Zurg I've been alternating between... 11-11-2015, 07:55 PM
GWBowman Smoked a couple of bowls of... 11-12-2015, 07:31 PM
Lostmason Smoked a bowl of Autumn... 11-19-2015, 11:14 PM
NeverBend Hi Matt (@Lostmason), What... 11-20-2015, 12:00 PM
Lostmason "Do not speak unless you can... 11-20-2015, 12:12 PM
Lostmason Pete (@Neverbend) When I... 11-20-2015, 02:43 PM
NeverBend If you are undeserving then... 11-22-2015, 10:37 AM
GWBowman A few days ago I had a bowl... 11-21-2015, 07:43 PM
Alligator Gar I think C is ready for the... 11-21-2015, 11:43 PM
NeverBend The Red Virginia from C&D is... 11-22-2015, 12:36 PM
Lostmason I smoked a short bowl of... 11-22-2015, 07:54 PM
Lostmason Currently finishing a bowl of... 11-22-2015, 11:17 PM
c.ortiz108 Received mine today and am... 11-23-2015, 07:38 PM
NeverBend Hi Chico, Thanks for... 11-24-2015, 02:43 PM
c.ortiz108 Just pm'd Wayne. I'm... 11-25-2015, 07:53 PM
NeverBend Hi Chico, You were... 11-26-2015, 05:05 AM
c.ortiz108 Hey, that's been my... 11-26-2015, 02:09 PM
GWBowman Pete, I have smoked a... 11-25-2015, 10:34 PM
OnePyroTec Yes, I have two "G" samples,... 11-27-2015, 01:45 PM
NeverBend Thanks Wayne. What I'm... 11-28-2015, 10:12 AM
GWBowman A couple of days ago I smoked... 11-28-2015, 07:09 PM
GWBowman Today when I opened my jar of... 11-29-2015, 09:56 PM
c.ortiz108 Received Mixture G today -... 12-05-2015, 08:26 PM
OnePyroTec You are welcome Chico. ... 12-06-2015, 01:40 AM
c.ortiz108 Cool, thanks! Looking forward... 12-06-2015, 02:36 AM
GWBowman In the last week I've smoked... 12-06-2015, 01:07 PM
Alligator Gar Just a couple of quick... 12-06-2015, 10:30 PM
GWBowman NeverBend, the Latakia in the... 12-12-2015, 11:38 AM
OnePyroTec Hey George, if you like... 12-19-2015, 11:30 AM
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Lostmason Pete NeverBend , After giving... 12-12-2015, 12:25 PM
Alligator Gar http://i.imgur.com/zDuKnTf.jpg... 12-12-2015, 09:49 PM
c.ortiz108 Pete, NeverBend, just had my... 12-23-2015, 07:32 PM
Alligator Gar We need to start the... 12-26-2015, 12:03 AM
Emperor Zurg Regarding the blend(s) to be... 12-26-2015, 09:40 AM
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    Evening Gents,

    You say that Mixture A tastes like cigarette tobacco? That didn't sound right so I tried it. No, it's tastes like bad cigarette tobacco.

    Mixture B has a heavy citrus top note and is one-dimensional? (well, I found this on my own). Not supposed to be that way.

    I think I have some answers.

    Mixture C is the only one with Latakia. Mixture D was made much more recently, never jarred and it (like Mixture C) has a strong component.

    Mixtures A, B & C were all made in mid-September and then stored under forced hand pressure in 2 mason jars per blend. Just before shipping your samples I combined and gave them a good re-mixing and my remaining samples are re-mixed now too. The re-mixing, I believe, caused the phenomena that I earlier explained to Matt where newly blended tobacco tastes flat. Not sure what it's called or exactly what's going on but it's the other side of the effect is where a newly opened tin will improve with a few days (I call it decanting), especially if it has some age. I'll refer to the phenomena as Aeration Affect (AA). When mixed you need to lose some and when opened you need to add some. Make sense?

    I always encounter AA when I blend (non-aromatics) and I make allowance for that. Right out of the blending bowl mixtures tend to be one-dimensional but they gain complexity starting in a week or so. I blended Mixture A last August as a test of ribbon Virginia types and it was a dud. Probably tasted like bad cigarette tobacco but it was so forgettable that I forget how bad it tasted and it languished in a mason jar for a year. Tried it this September and it was very different, (13 months). Aromatics don't exhibit much AA. Lesson for Pete, re-mix of relatively new blended tobacco has strong AA.

    I'm smoking (as I write) Mixture C (from the same, re-mixed, sample batch sent to you) and the latakia is too pronounced because the other flavors are muted, but it's closer to intent than either Mixture A or B taste like right now. Mixtures with a strongly flavored or acidic component(s) don't seem to be as AA flat but you taste too much of that component.

    Your samples of Mixture B uses Lemon VA instead of Bright VA (used in my earlier tests) and that could be part of the citrus top note along with AA. The extra acid in the Lemon VA comes through and this mixture tastes one-dimensional.

    Mixture D was blended on 10-14 and sent without having been stored or re-mixed so I'd imagine that the flavors are somewhat more distinct although it too has some AA from initial blending. Cigar makers advise waiting 30 days after rolling to smoke a cigar, so that may be a good benchmark for these mixtures, meaning that they should start to come to life in a couple of weeks. My apologies and despite my earlier reminders to re-mix, do so gently since I suspect (now) that vigorous mixing amplified the AA.

    None of your personal mixtures were re-mixed but they may be better in a couple of weeks as well.

    My thoughts on what age will do to each mixture:
    A = I know that it blooms with age and sucks with AA. I have to wait but I was going to mix a pound of this for myself.
    B = I changed Bright VA to Lemon VA and that may be the amplified citrus but the batch (that led to your samples) became nice ~8 weeks out from blending. The citrus should recede and it should gain considerable complexity.
    C = This is a finished blend, as long as I can reproduce it regularly (I had thought that I could). The latakia prevents it from being flat like the others but it won't be as intended until the AA wears off and then the latakia is more in a supporting role.
    D = Needs a lot more time than it has had, as you have it. It needs to assimilate and smooth one of the components (especially). I suspect it will be much better with about 6 months of age.

    I was smoking samples of Mixtures A through C for a few weeks before I re-mixed them and they were on track. Hope we can get back to that point soon and my apologies for holding up the show.

    Regards,

    Pete
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverBend View Post
    Evening Gents,

    You say that Mixture A tastes like cigarette tobacco? That didn't sound right so I tried it. No, it's tastes like bad cigarette tobacco.

    Mixture B has a heavy citrus top note and is one-dimensional? (well, I found this on my own). Not supposed to be that way.

    I think I have some answers.

    Mixture C is the only one with Latakia. Mixture D was made much more recently, never jarred and it (like Mixture C) has a strong component.

    Mixtures A, B & C were all made in mid-September and then stored under forced hand pressure in 2 mason jars per blend. Just before shipping your samples I combined and gave them a good re-mixing and my remaining samples are re-mixed now too. The re-mixing, I believe, caused the phenomena that I earlier explained to Matt where newly blended tobacco tastes flat. Not sure what it's called or exactly what's going on but it's the other side of the effect is where a newly opened tin will improve with a few days (I call it decanting), especially if it has some age. I'll refer to the phenomena as Aeration Affect (AA). When mixed you need to lose some and when opened you need to add some. Make sense?

    I always encounter AA when I blend (non-aromatics) and I make allowance for that. Right out of the blending bowl mixtures tend to be one-dimensional but they gain complexity starting in a week or so. I blended Mixture A last August as a test of ribbon Virginia types and it was a dud. Probably tasted like bad cigarette tobacco but it was so forgettable that I forget how bad it tasted and it languished in a mason jar for a year. Tried it this September and it was very different, (13 months). Aromatics don't exhibit much AA. Lesson for Pete, re-mix of relatively new blended tobacco has strong AA.

    I'm smoking (as I write) Mixture C (from the same, re-mixed, sample batch sent to you) and the latakia is too pronounced because the other flavors are muted, but it's closer to intent than either Mixture A or B taste like right now. Mixtures with a strongly flavored or acidic component(s) don't seem to be as AA flat but you taste too much of that component.

    Your samples of Mixture B uses Lemon VA instead of Bright VA (used in my earlier tests) and that could be part of the citrus top note along with AA. The extra acid in the Lemon VA comes through and this mixture tastes one-dimensional.

    Mixture D was blended on 10-14 and sent without having been stored or re-mixed so I'd imagine that the flavors are somewhat more distinct although it too has some AA from initial blending. Cigar makers advise waiting 30 days after rolling to smoke a cigar, so that may be a good benchmark for these mixtures, meaning that they should start to come to life in a couple of weeks. My apologies and despite my earlier reminders to re-mix, do so gently since I suspect (now) that vigorous mixing amplified the AA.

    None of your personal mixtures were re-mixed but they may be better in a couple of weeks as well.

    My thoughts on what age will do to each mixture:
    A = I know that it blooms with age and sucks with AA. I have to wait but I was going to mix a pound of this for myself.
    B = I changed Bright VA to Lemon VA and that may be the amplified citrus but the batch (that led to your samples) became nice ~8 weeks out from blending. The citrus should recede and it should gain considerable complexity.
    C = This is a finished blend, as long as I can reproduce it regularly (I had thought that I could). The latakia prevents it from being flat like the others but it won't be as intended until the AA wears off and then the latakia is more in a supporting role.
    D = Needs a lot more time than it has had, as you have it. It needs to assimilate and smooth one of the components (especially). I suspect it will be much better with about 6 months of age.

    I was smoking samples of Mixtures A through C for a few weeks before I re-mixed them and they were on track. Hope we can get back to that point soon and my apologies for holding up the show.

    Regards,

    Pete
    Thanks for all of this interesting info, Pete!
    My family is going camping this weekend, and I'm bringing the A-D blends so I can take some baseline notes for comparison later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverBend View Post
    Evening Gents,

    You say that Mixture A tastes like cigarette tobacco? That didn't sound right so I tried it. No, it's tastes like bad cigarette tobacco.
    Mixture A is the only sample I've tried besides the 2 custom blends Pete made for me.

    First, let me say that I only ever tried 1 cigarette probably 30 years ago so I don't remember much of what they tasted like... I seem to remember a rather acrid flavor along with the taste of burning paper. This tobacco didn't taste like that.

    I won't say I was blown away by it or anything but it didn't seem all that bad to me. I've only had 1 bowl of it - and a small one at that - but my initial impressions were that it was pretty sweet up front with a nutty characteristic. As the bowl burned down, it began to remind me of that smell you pick up when you crack open roasted almonds - not that of the almond itself but of the cracking shell. I'll have a few more tries at it here in the near future.

    Taking it a bit slow and alternating between the two customs. A report will be forthcoming.
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