I wish someone would stand-up to these people

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Originally Posted by stonecutter2

Here's another good one.

http://www.thevoiceofreason.com/Cons...icevidence.jpg

By the way - Arthur Godfrey got lung cancer and died of emphysema.

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no problem there, they keep trying to give low cal, no sugar, no salt and other things they think are healthy...my question is who, is it healthy for....., not me

A few months ago I was sent paperwork to work at Levi Stadium by the temp agency that Local 134 uses to book employees. In the 30 some odd pages, there was an agreement to a drug test. Drug testing stagehands? Really? Maybe they were making sure you were smoking weed instead of not. "Yeah, we got another non stoner here. I recommend an eighth of Skywalker and a gram of hash stat.".

I worked the NHL stadium series hockey game a few weeks ago and I saw all the familiar faces. I don't think a single one of us has peed in a cup.

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Originally Posted by Ropey

I think it's less of a problem with anti-tobacco zealotry and more of a problem that employers have far too much power over their employees. Which is why I work for myself. I don't want a daddy telling me what to do for 8 hours a day -- I certainly don't want one telling me what to do the rest of my time on this planet.

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Plus all the companies telling you what you can do with your personal freedom outside of work by the means of drug testing.

I have a friend who works for a railway/distribution company and if he takes more than a 1 week vacation he is automatically drug tested before he returns to work. So much for that vacation to Colorado!

This entire country is all about double standards. You see these grizzly anti-tobacco adds but could you imagine how quickly they'd be sued if they showed diabetic ambulations from eating fast food? MANY more people die each year from unhealthy eating than tobacco use.

Many fire departments, prior to being hired, require you to sign a document stating you will not use any form of tobacco on or off the job. If found guilty it could lead to immediate termination without recourse. This sort of policy is common in many companies (even government ones). The reality is...it's all about insurance. I'll leave it at that and let you folks think about my second to last sentence ;)

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Originally Posted by BMack

This entire country is all about double standards. You see these grizzly anti-tobacco adds but could you imagine how quickly they'd be sued if they showed diabetic ambulations from eating fast food? MANY more people die each year from unhealthy eating than tobacco use.

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Yeah I agree with all of this.
And of course the U.S. is all about double standards. Hell, we were founded on a very basic double standard. We were founded by a group of slave owners who wanted to be free. Doesn't get much more of a double standard than that.

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Originally Posted by Engineer99

A few months ago I was sent paperwork to work at Levi Stadium by the temp agency that Local 134 uses to book employees. In the 30 some odd pages, there was an agreement to a drug test. Drug testing stagehands? Really? Maybe they were making sure you were smoking weed instead of not. "Yeah, we got another non stoner here. I recommend an eighth of Skywalker and a gram of hash stat.".

I worked the NHL stadium series hockey game a few weeks ago and I saw all the familiar faces. I don't think a single one of us has peed in a cup.

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Don't forget the Northern Lights and NYC Diesel lol.

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Originally Posted by Cool Breeze

I don't think a government organization should be allowed to do this, but privately owned businesses should be free to hire who they please.

I feel the same way about businesses who post "no guns" signs. Its silly and accomplishes nothing good, but it is their business.

I'll work somewhere else and I'll shop somewhere else.

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Really though? How about 'No blacks, asians, women, homos or wops need apply.'

I use the racially charged language here deliberately to make a point. Smoking is legal.

So the government should be able to tell a small business owner that he can't hire who he wants to hire?

Wow.

Tattooing your face, gauging your ears to the size of dinner plates and trying to convert everyone to Satanism is legal too. Think those people are getting hired? Perhaps you think the government should force businesses to hire them. After all, its legal. Being legal means absolutely nothing in this situation.

And whether or not behavior is legal or not has nothing to do with someone's race, gender or sexuality. That is an apples to oranges comparison.
Big difference in something that is in your control and something that isn't.

That's all we need is more government control over private citizens and private businesses.

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Originally Posted by Cool Breeze

So the government should be able to tell a small business owner that he can't hire who he wants to hire?

Wow.

Tattooing your face, gauging your ears to the size of dinner plates and trying to convert everyone to Satanism is legal too. Think those people are getting hired? Perhaps you think the government should force businesses to hire them. After all, its legal. Being legal means absolutely nothing in this situation.

And whether or not behavior is legal or not has nothing to do with someone's race, gender or sexuality. That is an apples to oranges comparison.
Big difference in something that is in your control and something that isn't.

That's all we need is more government control over private citizens and private businesses.

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Agreed. While I think it's a crappy practice not to hire someone that does something perfectly legal, they shouldn't be forced to hire or no hire anyone...we're also not forced to support their crappy business :)