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[Old Smokey]

That's why we need to at least maintain "social distancing" a while longer. Yes we need to find a way to restart the economy, but not at the expense of lives.

Things are very different in areas of our country. All places aren't like D.C., NY and NJ. Take my town for example, 50,000 people and a total of 7 people had Covid19 and all have recovered with zero deaths. It been over 2 weeks since a new case. We don't need to be shut down, social distancing as best possible yes, but people need to work and businesses need to be open.
I don't think the people in NY would close down if we had the CV19 and they didn't. No offense to anyone, but 95% of the country is not like the populated NE, nor do they pack into trains and subways.

[josh lucky 13]

Things are very different in areas of our country. All places aren't like D.C., NY and NJ. Take my town for example, 50,000 people and a total of 7 people had Covid19 and all have recovered with zero deaths. It been over 2 weeks since a new case. We don't need to be shut down, social distancing as best possible yes, but people need to work and businesses need to be open.
I don't think the people in NY would close down if we had the CV19 and they didn't. No offense to anyone, but 95% of the country is not like the populated NE, nor do they pack into trains and subways.

But that is known cases how many of the 50k were tested?

[Emperor Zurg]

But that is known cases how many of the 50k were tested?

I'd say who cares. Even if there were hundreds of cases, if they weren't feeling sick enough to seek medical attention and it's been a couple weeks since anyone has then there is no reason to keep everyone locked away in their homes. The elderly and others who are high risk (diabetics, obese, COPD, etc) should still be careful but the young and healthy have little to fear it would seem. I think the biggest mistake in all of this is treating everyone the same and treating every area of the country or state the same as those with the higest risk and the biggest infection.

[josh lucky 13]

I'd say who cares. Even if there were hundreds of cases, if they weren't feeling sick enough to seek medical attention and it's been a couple weeks since anyone has then there is no reason to keep everyone locked away in their homes. The elderly and others who are high risk (diabetics, obese, COPD, etc) should still be careful but the young and healthy have little to fear it would seem. I think the biggest mistake in all of this is treating everyone the same and treating every area of the country or state the same as those with the higest risk and the biggest infection.

Many are asymptomatic but still contagious. This is why its spreading so fast.

[Emperor Zurg]

Many are asymptomatic but still contagious. This is why its spreading so fast.

True. That's why those who are vulnerable to this virus should still be careful. However it would be best IMO to let it run its course thru the young and healthy so they can get it and get over it. There's no vaccine. The only vaccine is getting it and getting better. Once that happens the virus won't be able to pass person to person so easily until it finds someone it can kill. Might a few otherwise healthy people die? Maybe. But people die in traffic accidents too and we don't take every car off the road.

[CentralTimeSmoke]

True. That's why those who are vulnerable to this virus should still be careful. However it would be best IMO to let it run its course thru the young and healthy so they can get it and get over it. There's no vaccine. The only vaccine is getting it and getting better. Once that happens the virus won't be able to pass person to person so easily until it finds someone it can kill. Might a few otherwise healthy people die? Maybe. But people die in traffic accidents too and we don't take every car off the road.

As of right now, there's no solid evidence that once you get COVID-19 you're then immune to it forever. It's an extremely complex corona virus that's unparalleled in modern history. They've already discovered that the one rampaging through the US is actually different than the one that started in Wuhan. So it's mutating. The whole idea of herd immunity isn't really backed by science. And to be completely honest, I'm one of those "young and healthy" and I don't want to be used as an experiment. Tons of young people who don't have any underlying medical issues have died alone in a hospital fighting this disease.

I know it's frustrating for all of us. None of us want to be living like this. But personally, I'm not ready to sacrifice mine or my family's health for the sake of the economy. And the idea that a recession is worse than the potential effects of this disease is false. 250,000 people have already died worldwide. Unless we continue to practice extreme caution, we're talking millions dead. At its current rate, it's essentially like having a 9/11 body count every single day. The models are truly terrifying. And thank god, we were able to slow the spread and it hasn't been as bad. And the fact that it hasn't hit your community hard is a miracle, and shows that this kind of precaution needs to continue.

That doesn't mean that we need to be completely shuttered, but we need to maintain extremely strict social distancing and occupancy limits, make millions more tests available and track cases carefully. Unfortunately, this is our new normal for the foreseeable future.

I don't care where you land on the political spectrum, but I hope we can all agree that we should be listening to doctors and public health officials instead of politicians going forward. No matter the letter after their name, they're all looking out for their own interests, IMO. Which means they don't care about the lives of you or me.

[Old Smokey]

As of right now, there's no solid evidence that once you get COVID-19 you're then immune to it forever. It's an extremely complex corona virus that's unparalleled in modern history. They've already discovered that the one rampaging through the US is actually different than the one that started in Wuhan. So it's mutating. The whole idea of herd immunity isn't really backed by science. And to be completely honest, I'm one of those "young and healthy" and I don't want to be used as an experiment. Tons of young people who don't have any underlying medical issues have died alone in a hospital fighting this disease.

I know it's frustrating for all of us. None of us want to be living like this. But personally, I'm not ready to sacrifice mine or my family's health for the sake of the economy. And the idea that a recession is worse than the potential effects of this disease is false. 250,000 people have already died worldwide. Unless we continue to practice extreme caution, we're talking millions dead. At its current rate, it's essentially like having a 9/11 body count every single day. The models are truly terrifying. And thank god, we were able to slow the spread and it hasn't been as bad. And the fact that it hasn't hit your community hard is a miracle, and shows that this kind of precaution needs to continue.

That doesn't mean that we need to be completely shuttered, but we need to maintain extremely strict social distancing and occupancy limits, make millions more tests available and track cases carefully. Unfortunately, this is our new normal for the foreseeable future.

I don't care where you land on the political spectrum, but I hope we can all agree that we should be listening to doctors and public health officials instead of politicians going forward. No matter the letter after their name, they're all looking out for their own interests, IMO. Which means they don't care about the lives of you or me.

The common cold, the flu and Covid 19 are all Corona viruses.

They have found no cure for the common cold after decades of research. Though if you haven't tried ColdEze (over the counter) at the first signs of a cold, you are suffering needlessly. If taken as directed it will cut the severity and duration of the common cold in half. It's active ingredient is zinc. Do people die of the common cold? No. But I am sure in some severe cases it has developed into pneumonia and has caused death. But it would be very rare.

The flu on the other hand kills an estimated 290,000 to 650,000 people a year worldwide according to the WHO. We do have a vaccine that has been available for almost 50 years and the vast majority don't see a need to get the shot. Granted they guess each year what strain of the flu virus will be prevalent, and they are very often wrong. But they say even if the vaccine isn't a match, it still normally reduce the severity of the illness.

As of today 5-6-20 according to John's Hopkins there have been 257,906 deaths worldwide from Covid 19. Monday there were 1,050 deaths in the US from Covid. Much less than 9-11. Keep in mind some states have been calling nearly all deaths CV in hopes of getting more Govt money.

And I agree that it isn't proven that having beat CV19 that you are then immune, but it was true after SARS in 2002-2003 and there hasn't been another case since 2003. SARS was also a Corona virus.

Also very few young people have died from CV. A very high percentage of the deaths have been elderly and those with a weak immune system.

The models you mention as terrifying are terrifying. But they are also proven to be very wrong. And even after adjusting numerous times have continued to be wrong and grossly overstated. Remember when they first said the models showed 1.5-2.2 million people in the US would die from CV19 and they issued the stay at home orders unless you were considered essential? We just topped 70,000 deaths, which is about the same number of Americans who die from alcoholism each year. But liquor stores were considered essential businesses? That's kinda weird. The fact is the number of people who have had CV19 and either didn't know it or suffered mild symptoms is well into the millions. The areas that have been hardest hit are NYC and NJ? Why? Because most people don't drive, they take busses, trains and subways and pack in like rats. In LA most people drive, like they do in nearly all of the country. Yes, I agree with continued social distancing, but DO NOT agree with shutting down our country any longer.

There is some very nefarious stuff going on pertaining to CV19, not only in the US, but also in the world. It's all about gaining power and control. Like Nancy Pelosi says, never let a good pandemic go to waste.