What we have to lose

[UncleFesterESQ]

Kind of sad that there's 3 pages here basically asking people not to act like douchebags... What the hell is the internet doing to people?

As for advertisements on the site... much better than relying on members to continuously make donations to keep site up and running. I'm cheap. If I have to pay to play I'd rather not play. God forbid there's actually a year where the site creators actually make a bit of cash for putting up with all the bull shit.

[Browns7213]

YOu guys know he was directly talking about me at Stogie Toys right? BAaaahhhhhaaaaaaaa

Jay

I have a complaint about Stogie Toys. I ordered the purple one and they sent me the stainless steel color. Can I sue for to that? Man I hope this doesn't get censored!

[Sigaar]

I see no problem with calling out vendors, GOOD and BAD, when that needs to be done. Of course, I don't own this forum, so not my rules. I've been on a regional gun forum for a few years that allows this, and frankly, think it's a good thing. No doubt, it's a more "rowdy" forum and you need a thick skin, which I'm okay with. There are many vendors on that forum, and sure, I'm pretty sure some of the crummy ones have left. Not sure that's a bad thing!! And if a member posts BS...believe me, you WILL be called out by the membership! I also think that's a good thing.

I guess I see calling out vendors as something that should be okay, and looked at on a case by case basis. Bottom line is if someone is having issues with Vendor XYZ, I'd like to hear about it and make my OWN decision as to whether I'll buy from them, or not. What is acceptable to you, may not be acceptable to me. I worked in the retail business for 15 years and everyone has varying degrees on what good service is...I may be fussier than you, and that's my right. I love the free market and people making their own INFORMED decisions, and the more knowledge you have the easier it is to do.

I'm also a fan of praising vendors when due. I did that not long ago about Holt's. Anyway...my two cents.

ETA: I've never had an issue with a cigar related vendor.

[MoreBeer]

I didn't read the entire thread although can add this.....

I develop software for the graphics and printing industry and also develop for Adobe as an independent contractor. Anyhow, I avoid posting to industry related forums like the plague. It has encouraged nothing but trouble and ridiculous bullshit for me. A developer who sells their own products can never win on industry forums, even when trying to be helpful....including when most likely 30% of the participants on the forum use one of the products and are more than satisfied with it. Maybe the cigar industry is different? I wouldn't know.

[wabashcr]

I completely agree Cole. If my team is doing something wrong I definitely want to hear about it. However, I do think that most issues can and should be solved through private messages.

I think we would all be disappointed if someone brought a problem here without giving you (or any vendor) a chance to make it right first.

[jhedrick83]

I generally agree, and hope it remains that way. I think that's an important part of the "for us, by us" mantra, and why this is a really great forum. I would be disappointed if that changed in an effort to appease vendors. I think the honest and forthright opinions and experiences of the members (consumers and vendors alike) are the true value of this forum, and far outweigh any potential perks or discounts.

I'm sure I speak for my fellow mods/admins what I say that is our goal to ensure it remains that way. I value the forum itself far more than a discount on items and if there are problem vendors that's one thing. I just think having vendor/manufacturer participation can provide the forum with a great knowledge base and good connections for the members. The best communities are well rounded ones IMO, which is why I like dissenting opinions.

[Nature]

I didn't read the entire thread although can add this.....

I develop software for the graphics and printing industry and also develop for Adobe as an independent contractor. Anyhow, I avoid posting to industry related forums like the plague. It has encouraged nothing but trouble and ridiculous bullshit for me. A developer who sells their own products can never win on industry forums, even when trying to be helpful....including when most likely 30% of the participants on the forum use one of the products and are more than satisfied with it. Maybe the cigar industry is different? I wouldn't know.

Maybe this forum is different? I think so.

[Jaybird]

I have a complaint about Stogie Toys. I ordered the purple one and they sent me the stainless steel color. Can I sue for to that? Man I hope this doesn't get censored!

Baaahhhhaaaaaa David.... Ummmmmmm NO! Baaahhhhaaaaaaa


Cheers

Jay

[MoreBeer]

Maybe this forum is different? I think so.

I said: "Maybe the cigar industry is different? I wouldn't know."

I didn't say: "Maybe this forum is different?"

[fiddlegrin]

Hi Steve,
He knows that. (post 37)
He quoted your post and even made it bold; "Maybe the cigar industry is different?"

In his post he was just asking and answering his own question.

I'm sorry to hear that the software "industry forums" have been so unrewarding. That must be frustrating....

Best wishes, Dafiddla