Pass, any good will they used to have is long gone. They are a cheap cigar used in their tourist trap factory. They are not bad but they try to come off way better than they are. There is a reason you don't see much on them. They are ok at best. You seem to enjoy some Torano cigars look at their lines that look like knock off Camachos. They are a much better value for the money. Much better smoke in my opinion.