CI "Fake" Cigars?

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Originally Posted by TCBSmokes

Well, on the one hand, they are not one of his advertisers and I'd be more impressed if he conducted the same experiment on one of their offerings. But on the other, I did see a video where he dismantled a Padron on the rumor some were filled with stems and he did prove it to be the case with that stick.

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I wanted to point out that while leaf is frog legged part of the mid rib is left in the leaf to help give structure to the cigar. All cigars have stems in them. He could have saved the cigar and just looked up any video on youtube of people rolling cigars and watched the way they bunch the leaf.
I don't see why he's making such a fuss over a cigar that costs as much as a Dutch Master. My Big Mac doesn't look like the one in the commercials does either, is this really a surprise?

I'm no fan of how the major internet retailers advertise their wares, so I appreciate vids like this.

Much of their advertising puffery borders on false claims IMHO and if cigar retailers didn't fall into some almost-FDA federal limbo area I think the FTC would have fined them a long time ago.

At the VERY least they're guilty of a lack of full disclosure, and more likely material misrepresentation of many of their products.

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Originally Posted by HIM

My Big Mac doesn't look like the one in the commercials does either, is this really a surprise?

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Great analogy. It's even better when you consider the fact that the Big Mac probably doesn't have hamburger in it either haha :p

Anyway, coming from this guy, I don't care. But man, what a great way to get hiw views up and nab a couple more subscribers!

(that's the business Brian is in)

Good pointing out Cole that in Bryan's, (what seems to be), misinterpreted reference, he creates the misrepresentation. ok, maybe that's not your point but, being a cigar roller you'll know that even a long filled stick has some other in it. He does not believe that. Even after his Padron de-construction and having Jorge Padon Jr. say so.

youtube he said "The definition of Long filler is 100% whole leaves (that can be torn for placement. If it is partial long and partial short, that is called mixed."

I just don't know where he got info on that stick. it is not a long filler. and premium has yet to be defined. .. well maybe for the FDA at least. I'm not sure if a Lieberman is a machine yet?

to me 100% whole leaves means not homogenized or reconstituted.

I kind of feel like, who cares? I prefer to smoke good cigars and I feel like most of you are in the same boat. So what if a $1-$2 cigar isn't exactly what you thought. Yea it sounded good and ended up being scraps from the ground. Maybe next time grab a Tat, AJ, AF, or something else that isn't a shot in the dark.

Maybe I'm being close minded, but it's late, I can't sleep, and I don't care :cool:

I would've thought he might enjoy the "metallic zing" and rich "long finish" from all those short fillers. :devilish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S13a1ILHjts

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Originally Posted by thechasm442

I kind of feel like, who cares? I prefer to smoke good cigars

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The problem is that noobs will think they're buying premium cigars at a discount, will smoke them, dislike them, and swear off cigars forever. Then there will be one more person (or thousands, if it happens a lot) who doesn't care at all when cigars are legislated out of existence.

I know because I was one of those noobs. I smoked several dog rockets from Cbid and hated them until I happened to win an auction of decent sticks.

Based on a recent video on Glynn's web site, even the "Black Pearl" cigars appear to be cuban sandwich (or nearly cuban sandwich) construction.

Here's their ad copy from http://www.cigarsinternational.com/c...ck-pearl-rojo/

"La Perla Habana Rojo received an outstanding 90-point rating along with "Best Buy" honors"

Here's a dissection of the cigar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pmiTpPU4GE

I don't know if that's cuban sandwich or just a bunch of sh*tty tobacco and dust. Either way, does that look like a 90-rated cigar inside?

Maybe he has a vendetta against them because they wouldn't give him free cigars so he could buy his motorcycle. :stogie:

Short filler cigars doesn't mean anything. I'd take Tatuaje P series (short filler cigar) over tons of crap that General Cigars pump out any day.

I dunno about n00bs being led on. Myself, I spent more time researching than smoking early on. Macanudo, Carlos Torano, and La Perla Habana were pretty much the lowest quality brands I smoked from the beginning. I've never had a victor sinclair, bahia, or any of the cigars in CI low end samplers. It's not that I want to automatically disregard them, it's just that based on research I started with better smokes, and wanted to continue on that way. I feel like knowingly smoking a shit cigar is a waste of time, so why even try?