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AlanS
08-16-2018, 04:27 PM
How much is to much? The new TAT 15th anni comes in 2 vitolas and are $19 and $21 each. While I enjoy some of their products I cant see these price points on these smokes. Holding out

CentralTimeSmoke
08-16-2018, 04:50 PM
I too think that's a bit high, especially considering it's a regular production cigar and not a limited edition. I personally have a hard time spending more than $12 for a cigar. I can almost guarantee you I won't like that cigar more than a Tabernacle, 1964, Le Bijou or my other splurge cigars.

Kidvegas
08-16-2018, 05:00 PM
Ridiculous! $19-20.......not this guy!


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Hardheaded
08-16-2018, 05:03 PM
Too rich for my blood. Thats what a lot of sticks run in a B&M around here though. Padron / Davidoff being $30+ in a lot of cases.

Plenty of options in the $2-12 range.

SoCal gunner
08-16-2018, 06:27 PM
Any interest in these?

7159

We have a Box Split section here (that people actually read - LOL)?


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LFD 50th Golden OROs @ $432/ box of 20

projectsunfire
08-16-2018, 07:34 PM
I used to be a major Tat whore but I'm not paying $20 for one. I am even done with the Monster Series. I have found far more enjoyable sticks for less $$$$

Tombstone
08-16-2018, 07:55 PM
To me I think most of the Unicos are a bit rich for my blood. They are good but not more enjoyable than many of my go to's for a lesser price point .

Old Smokey
08-16-2018, 08:09 PM
I am not a Tat fan, so I won't be buying any. I have only paid $20 for a cigar once and learned my lesson. Some of the prices being charged for some cigars is funny money!

DogRockets
08-16-2018, 08:20 PM
I bought one at my local recently. Didn't look at the price however until after I rang out. Haven't tried it yet. Better darn well be freaking good!

Brimy
08-16-2018, 08:41 PM
The price point on many sticks are high and I'd rather not spend that kind of coin. But if you don't try it you'll never know if it was worth it!
And yes, we can find less expensive gems, but again, you'll never know if you don't try it.

It could be like saying "I want a FFP, Julius Ceasar, Opus X for $3/stick."

WNYTONY
08-16-2018, 10:22 PM
Above my pay grade !

FidelCastro
08-17-2018, 03:27 AM
If one has the money then it doesn't matter what the cost. I could probably afford a couple but my principles won't allow me to do that for a brand that I barely smoke anyway. There are a lot of great cigars out there that are half of that....one that I can't wait to smoke is the Nomad Signature and even at the price tag it sells for kind of makes my sphincter tighten but if it is really really good I guess I can sneak into the 401K and buy a box.

cheaphumidors
08-17-2018, 06:13 AM
I probably wouldn't spend the money on a Tat of that price, but I have done it before on other lines. But I justify it by keeping them in my "special occasion" humidor and only pulling them out for celebrations. But inevitably, I end up thinking it wasn't worth it.

SoCal gunner
08-17-2018, 08:38 AM
So no takers on the LFD 50s ?

CentralTimeSmoke
08-17-2018, 09:41 AM
To me I think most of the Unicos are a bit rich for my blood. They are good but not more enjoyable than many of my go to's for a lesser price point .

Totally agree. Every time I smoke a Unico, I think, wow! This is a great cigar. So many flavors. But guess what? I do the same thing when I smoke an Undercrown for half the price.

The law of diminishing returns comes into play with cigars. The difference between a $2 cigar and a $12 can* be huge, with far more complexity and flavor. But the difference between a $12 cigar and a $20+ cigar? IMO, not a damn thing other than marketing and scarcity.

*I say CAN BE because sometimes a $2-3 cigar (such as a RB Project) kicks ass compared to some BS Dominican Cohiba or some other gimmicky $10 stick.

Regiampiero
08-17-2018, 10:08 AM
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LFD 50th Golden OROs @ $432/ box of 20

Negative.

Regiampiero
08-17-2018, 10:52 AM
No cigar is worth more than $8 based on materials and work involved (with very few exceptions), the rest is all marketing and consumer added value. Having said that, if the consumer enjoys a cigar that he/she added $10 of value to just because it's rare, or it's old, or it's made by this guy/girl I like, then they also added to their enjoyment of that particular cigar. I for once don't like to buy expensive cigars because I get in the mindset of only lighting it when conditions are perfect. This is a problem because whenever you think those perfect conditions arise (and you light those expensive sticks up) that's when all seems to go down the drain quick.

droy1958
08-17-2018, 06:33 PM
How much is to much? The new TAT 15th anni comes in 2 vitolas and are $19 and $21 each. While I enjoy some of their products I cant see these price points on these smokes. Holding out

That's higher than giraffe pu$$y to me, but with hunting, fishing, farming and such I don't have the disposable cash to buy cigars like that.....

droy1958
08-17-2018, 06:38 PM
Totally agree. Every time I smoke a Unico, I think, wow! This is a great cigar. So many flavors. But guess what? I do the same thing when I smoke an Undercrown for half the price.

The law of diminishing returns comes into play with cigars. The difference between a $2 cigar and a $12 can* be huge, with far more complexity and flavor. But the difference between a $12 cigar and a $20+ cigar? IMO, not a damn thing other than marketing and scarcity.

*I say CAN BE because sometimes a $2-3 cigar (such as a RB Project) kicks ass compared to some BS Dominican Cohiba or some other gimmicky $10 stick.

I'm with you on the RB Project. Hell of a smoke!!!!.....

Bruck
08-17-2018, 07:36 PM
As an inveterate bottom-feeder, I don't really belong on this thread... But yes, although Tats are the cat's pajamas, I wouldn't pay that much. I have been known to splurge on Paul Garmarians at $17-18 apiece on occasion.

Kidvegas
08-17-2018, 07:46 PM
Lunacy I says!!


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FidelCastro
08-18-2018, 12:12 PM
That's higher than giraffe pu$$y to me, but with hunting, fishing, farming and such I don't have the disposable cash to buy cigars like that.....
You have hit the upon the reality of life whether it be cigars or cars or anything that we affix a value or worth i.e.
worth the time, money, or effort spent; of value or importance. We tend to follow a definition that others place before us and that usually is marketing and advertising for a product. Billions are spent in the sales of commodities and it is a powerful medium by which to assuage the buyer that what they value can be sold in words/visuals instead of letting the consumer judge for themselves. One of the things I love about this hobby is that Veteran Cigar Smokers aren't easily fooled and they are by nature pretty truthful people and aren't swayed by ads or commercials. There is a passion among us that we search out "truth" in the cigars we smoke and if it's good then we'll smoke it and sometimes it has a cost that we will debate within our own minds....the definition of diminishing returns as the brother mentions is spot on because it's the individual who makes the call. I can afford a pleasure until it costs me more than the investment I put into it and when that happens it has diminished value. There are a few cigars that happen to hurt my wallet but don't decrease in the pleasure of smoking them and should they ever come with a cost that is far too expensive then I guess I'll have to smoke half of what I usually smoke.

Reading threads and posts in Cigar Forums is not just about tobacco and brands but it's a peek into the psychology of who we are and how we perceive the world around us and for generations cigar smokers were judged on a false narrative of being snobbish and obtrusive but in reality as I've noticed for a long time that cigar smokers are people who really know what they like and will tell it like it is. To a lot of those who have a disdain for the tobacco leaf they tend to judge us because of an aroma and a perceived personality of someone who is "cock-sure" about what they like and don't like and that is what makes anti tobacco philosophy so popular where they feel the need to control those around them. If it was really about the threat of second hand smoke etc. why wouldn't they fix the bigger threats of pollution that are around us instead of something so benign as a cigar? Sorry for digressing as it occurred to me while writing this post that I get thoughts that come out of right field on occasion and feel I have to chase it down to a conclusion.

droy1958
08-18-2018, 04:31 PM
Not a problem mate. All people have their limits on cigar prices, and we also have folks who'll suck a tailpipe of a Mercedes and bitch about cigar smoke......

FidelCastro
08-18-2018, 06:56 PM
Not a problem mate. All people have their limits on cigar prices, and we also have folks who'll suck a tailpipe of a Mercedes and bitch about cigar smoke......

Signature line if I ever read one!!

Brimy
08-18-2018, 08:23 PM
You have hit the upon the reality of life whether it be cigars or cars or anything that we affix a value or worth i.e.
worth the time, money, or effort spent; of value or importance. We tend to follow a definition that others place before us and that usually is marketing and advertising for a product. Billions are spent in the sales of commodities and it is a powerful medium by which to assuage the buyer that what they value can be sold in words/visuals instead of letting the consumer judge for themselves. One of the things I love about this hobby is that Veteran Cigar Smokers aren't easily fooled and they are by nature pretty truthful people and aren't swayed by ads or commercials. There is a passion among us that we search out "truth" in the cigars we smoke and if it's good then we'll smoke it and sometimes it has a cost that we will debate within our own minds....the definition of diminishing returns as the brother mentions is spot on because it's the individual who makes the call. I can afford a pleasure until it costs me more than the investment I put into it and when that happens it has diminished value. There are a few cigars that happen to hurt my wallet but don't decrease in the pleasure of smoking them and should they ever come with a cost that is far too expensive then I guess I'll have to smoke half of what I usually smoke.

Reading threads and posts in Cigar Forums is not just about tobacco and brands but it's a peek into the psychology of who we are and how we perceive the world around us and for generations cigar smokers were judged on a false narrative of being snobbish and obtrusive but in reality as I've noticed for a long time that cigar smokers are people who really know what they like and will tell it like it is. To a lot of those who have a disdain for the tobacco leaf they tend to judge us because of an aroma and a perceived personality of someone who is "cock-sure" about what they like and don't like and that is what makes anti tobacco philosophy so popular where they feel the need to control those around them. If it was really about the threat of second hand smoke etc. why wouldn't they fix the bigger threats of pollution that are around us instead of something so benign as a cigar? Sorry for digressing as it occurred to me while writing this post that I get thoughts that come out of right field on occasion and feel I have to chase it down to a conclusion.

Well said on all fronts.

Old Smokey
08-18-2018, 08:33 PM
I only smoke a couple of cigars a month and almost all of the cigars I buy seem to be in the $8-$12 range. Rarely will I spend more. If I smoked more often I would have to adjust accordingly. But when I only smoke probably 25 cigars a year, it isn't very expensive.

jhedrick83
08-19-2018, 11:30 AM
I only smoke a couple of cigars a month and almost all of the cigars I buy seem to be in the $8-$12 range. Rarely will I spend more. If I smoked more often I would have to adjust accordingly. But when I only smoke probably 25 cigars a year, it isn't very expensive.

I'm with Steve here. If I get to smoke 6 cigars in a month I was tearing it up. Usually I'm good for 3-4. Because of that I'm willing to go a little higher if it's something I know won't disappoint (read Fuente). On the dark side, it's rare to see much above the $12 a stick unless it's a limited edition or an LCDH release or Cohiba. Some are worth it, most are not IMO.

Like some of the other guys have said, it's all about personal preference. If you think a cigar is worth $15 and you have the money, go for it. If you think no cigar is worth $15 then don't buy them! The reality is that this is a hobby where we literally light our purchases on fire. So do it your way as long as you enjoy it.

SoCal gunner
08-19-2018, 08:33 PM
Exactly! Like what you smoke, smoke what you like! Same thing with your money - spend as you see fit! Heck, I blew this months cigar budget supporting single moms that could barely afford to dress themselves in Vegas!

I've had wonderful experiences with $3 cigars and tossed $25 cigars at less than halfway. Find a company, roller/blender, wrapper or filler that you like and a price point appropriate for you. Don't worry about (or hate) the guy that smokes $100 sticks - focus on what you like.

Seriously, so much goes into the cigar experience like atmosphere, company (or lack of), mood, music, drink, etc. that I'd put $ way down on the list.

Demuths1770
08-20-2018, 07:59 AM
im willing to try one and probably will at some point but i wont be going and buying a box of them. i am usually good for 6-10 cigars a month and at that point spending 10-15$ on those cigars dose not hurt my feelings since its something i enjoy to do and am not doing it on a regular basis. I can justify spending a pretty penny on a cigar every now and than. Some of them i have regretted others where good

Upstatemax
08-20-2018, 06:03 PM
That is a lot for a cigar. When I'm shopping online, I usually spend between $3-$5 per stick.

In a B&M, I usually spend between $7-$12. Usually for similar or the SAME cigar that I'm getting for $3-$5 online. But I also know I need to do my part to keep the local places going so I "pay my tax".

Usually I don't smoke super premium sticks because I have a hard time justifying the price vs satisfaction for me. But, about twice a year I like to let loose and have something outside of my usual budget, usually in the mid $20 range.

The most I've ever spent was $30 on a special Padron release from a B&M. My wife got me a gift card to a local shop for Fathers Day and specifically told me to "spoil myself, get something that I would not normally buy". So, I shut my eyes and bought it! It was a GREAT cigar, but I would never buy it again. Not because I can't afford it, because I can get close to that cigar for WAY less $$ and I enjoy them nearly as much.

I have a lot of hobbies and all of them can be very financially draining. I had to learn long ago that you just have to learn when "enough is enough".

Ryan137
08-20-2018, 08:45 PM
At this point in my road to enlightenment I'm not sure I could distinguish an expensive cigar from a $5 stick. One my palate develops, maybe the price would be worth it to try one, but I don't see a box in my future.

I just purchased two at that price point the other day at the B&M sponsored Drew Estate event. those two will be going away for a while while I smoke the less expensive ones to determine where my taste lies.

Ryan

DogRockets
09-15-2018, 02:24 PM
Well all, I lit up my 15th Anniversary today. I had picked up the darker of the two wrappers, the torpedo shape. Draw was a tad looser than I would have thought but it burned really well. However flavor wise it didn't do much for me. Not one that DogRockets would buy again.

I lit up my all-time favorite cigar right after it - the Tat 2012 Cojonu Broadleaf. Now that cigar made my take off my pants and run around a bit. So freaking good!

SoCal gunner
09-15-2018, 04:17 PM
Well all, I lit up my 15th Anniversary today. I had picked up the darker of the two wrappers, the torpedo shape. Draw was a tad looser than I would have thought but it burned really well. However flavor wise it didn't do much for me. Not one that DogRockets would buy again.

I lit up my all-time favorite cigar right after it - the Tat 2012 Cojonu Broadleaf. Now that cigar made my take off my pants and run around a bit. So freaking good!Pics?

AlanS
09-15-2018, 04:35 PM
Pics?

You funny!

CentralTimeSmoke
09-15-2018, 06:24 PM
Well all, I lit up my 15th Anniversary today. I had picked up the darker of the two wrappers, the torpedo shape. Draw was a tad looser than I would have thought but it burned really well. However flavor wise it didn't do much for me. Not one that DogRockets would buy again.

I lit up my all-time favorite cigar right after it - the Tat 2012 Cojonu Broadleaf. Now that cigar made my take off my pants and run around a bit. So freaking good!

I asked my local cigar monger about it and he told me to save $10 and smoke the 10 Year Anni, which is a great cigar. I doubt I’ll ever try the 15 Year. However, I also purchased the 2012 Cojonu Habano and can’t wait to smoke it. I’d like to try all three versions.

DogRockets
09-17-2018, 04:39 PM
I asked my local cigar monger about it and he told me to save $10 and smoke the 10 Year Anni, which is a great cigar. I doubt I’ll ever try the 15 Year. However, I also purchased the 2012 Cojonu Habano and can’t wait to smoke it. I’d like to try all three versions.

To me the 15th and 10th Anniversary were nothing alike. Now in saying that, I didn't like the 10th so I've only had 2 or 3 and that was years ago. But I remember the 10th being very peppery. The 15th was much smoother in that regard. But flavor profile of both are not for me.

I don't recall if I've had the Habano in the 2012 Cojonu series or not. I have a Sumatra around here somewhere I think to try at some point. But I've burned through many, many of the Broadleaf version. That MUST be paired with either a Café Au Lait or a iced, sweetened coffee with some cream. The combination of those two is out of this world. I actually refuse to smoke that cigar if I don't have either of those items.

droy1958
09-24-2018, 05:49 PM
Well all, I lit up my 15th Anniversary today. I had picked up the darker of the two wrappers, the torpedo shape. Draw was a tad looser than I would have thought but it burned really well. However flavor wise it didn't do much for me. Not one that DogRockets would buy again.

I lit up my all-time favorite cigar right after it - the Tat 2012 Cojonu Broadleaf. Now that cigar made my take off my pants and run around a bit. So freaking good!

That Tatty 12 Broadie is a damn fine smoke. When I hit a lick, I might buy a couple more.....