Question about "My Mixture 28,000" tobacco blend.

[Haebar]

Does anybody know anything about a tobacco blend called My Mixture 28,000? I won 5 pounds of it at a silent auction yesterday at the Nashville Pipe Show and can't find anything about it with Google and TobaccoReviews.com. The package indicates that it is made by Lane Limited, but Dunhill was mentioned in the auction description. I didn't get to keep the auction description and forgot to record what the description said exactly. Any information will be appreciated.

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[Bruck]

Probably a custom, limited release blend, demonstrating my keen grasp of the obvious :)
Probably not a good seller though, if they're throwing it around 5 # at a time... But maybe you got a diamond in the rough. Looking forward to the review!

[Haebar]

Probably a custom, limited release blend, demonstrating my keen grasp of the obvious :)
Probably not a good seller though, if they're throwing it around 5 # at a time... But maybe you got a diamond in the rough. Looking forward to the review!

My first review would be OUCH! I smoked some right out of the bag and got bit (a little too moist). Need to let it air out more to give it a chance though. The flavor is good; it is definitely an aromatic. Even if it is a loser tobacco, that's okay because I only paid $25 for the 5 pounds and the proceeds went to the American Legion.

[Shemp Jizzle]

If anything send it all to Tobias Lutz

[Bruck]

I hope it's halfway decent. That's a good deal - you can't get raw leaf for that price, unless you buy it a truckload at a time :)

[Haebar]

Well, I've had some sitting out for 24 hours now and it has dried some but it is still pretty moist.

[c.ortiz108]

Wonder where they came up with 28,000? Seems like a random number. Is it a regular burley aro, or Englishy one, or ?

[Haebar]

Wonder where they came up with 28,000? Seems like a random number. Is it a regular burley aro, or Englishy one, or ?

It is an aromatic somewhere along the lines of 1Q with an addition of a darker component that I haven't figured out yet.

[Emperor Zurg]

HOLY SH!T, THAT STUFF CAUSES CANCER, BIRTH DEFECTS AND OTHER REPRODUCTIVE HARM!
Better bury it deep in Yucca mountain. It sounds dangerous! Didn't you read the bag?!?

[Bruck]

HOLY SH!T, THAT STUFF CAUSES CANCER, BIRTH DEFECTS AND OTHER REPRODUCTIVE HARM!
Better bury it deep in Yucca mountain. It sounds dangerous! Didn't you read the bag?!?

Relax, it's only a problem in California :)

[Haebar]

I am going to have to toss this stuff as much as I hate to. I've had some sitting out for two days and it still bites, no matter how slow I smoke it. What are some alternative uses for tobacco that is unsmokeable?

[Bruck]

So Haebar, exactly how much tobacco is 5#? Would you mind taking a picture of it next to a yardstick or measuring tape?

[Emperor Zurg]

I am going to have to toss this stuff as much as I hate to. I've had some sitting out for two days and it still bites, no matter how slow I smoke it. What are some alternative uses for tobacco that is unsmokeable?

If it smells nice, fill a little sachet and hang it under the dash of your truck. I knew a guy who always did that with Captain Black - smelled wonderful in there.

[Haebar]

So Haebar, exactly how much tobacco is 5#? Would you mind taking a picture of it next to a yardstick or measuring tape?

It's 5 pounds or 2.27 kg.

[c.ortiz108]

I'm sure if you offered it up here or on one of the other forums, someone out there would jump. Otherwise, you could try using it for blending if it has flavors you like.

[Haebar]

I'm sure if you offered it up here or on one of the other forums, someone out there would jump. Otherwise, you could try using it for blending if it has flavors you like.

I would give it away but I really think it is bad, bad tobacco. The casings have overtaken the heart of the leaf and spirited away the best of the tobacco flavor. It's like a 10-year old Twinkie now; all that's left is the flavor of the casings and it burns really, really hot. If anybody wants it, you can have it for the shipping cost.

[Lostmason]

I'll bite , I'll send ya Pm.

[LandonColby]

I'll bite , I'll send ya Pm.

If what Tab says is true, it's not you who will be biting ;)

[c.ortiz108]

It's like a 10-year old Twinkie now

Maybe that's the secret ingredient! Looking forward to Lostmason's review....

[NeverBend]

Does anybody know anything about a tobacco blend called My Mixture 28,000? I won 5 pounds of it at a silent auction yesterday at the Nashville Pipe Show and can't find anything about it with Google and TobaccoReviews.com. The package indicates that it is made by Lane Limited, but Dunhill was mentioned in the auction description. I didn't get to keep the auction description and forgot to record what the description said exactly. Any information will be appreciated.

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah50/haebar/Cigar%20Bum%20Photos%20004_zpsg0pdhnln.jpg

Hi Tab,

Interesting find and I'd have dropped the coin too. Was this vacuum sealed? (explains a lot including possibly dating). Was the tobacco moist when you opened it?

I expect that the bag, based on the quantity, was a custom mixture for a tobacco store, quite possibly 1Q with some additions as noted (somewhere else) in the thread. 5-lbs would be about the minimum that any tobacco vendor would custom make. Possibly a sample to test in a store with, hopefully, larger quantity to follow if successful?

The earliest that this tobacco may be from is about 1990, (based on this link): California Anti-Smoking Legislation (search for WARN) (http://www.tobaccofreeca.com/timeline_viewer.php). This is when California legislated this wording of the warning label to appear on cigars (and I presume pipe tobacco). Obviously it could be anytime after this. Dunhill bought Lane in 1976 (according to this link): Dunhill discussion (do text search, ctrl+F, for LANE) (http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.smokers.pipes/2005-07/msg00312.html). The custom (part) of the printing on the label, "My Mixture 28,000", "5 LBS" and "C091" appears to be dot-matrix printing, and I suppose that "C091' is a product code. My Mixture 28,000 sounds like a Dunhill moniker.

I have no idea when, nor if, Lane used Vacuum seals on their bulks (if this is indeed sealed that way) but if so that would probably push this into the mid 1990s. The label template itself, (without dot-matrix), appears to have been made before use of computer graphics. but obviously not before 1990 (because of the California warning). By today's standards, it's an old style of label but they'd probably have used them towards exhaustion. Lane was sold to Rothman's (per the link above) in 1987 but it's likely that little changed for some time after any acquisition especially if they continued to trade under the Dunhill or Lane names (as the My Mixture would indicate).

Dunhill owned >=1976 and <=??
Tucker Georgia manufacture >=1983
California Warning >=1990
Probably a PC-based, dot-matrix printer labeling system, >=1990 (could have been earlier but doubtful especially in the tobacco business).
No bar code <= 2005 (or a bit earlier).

If I had to venture a (conservative) guess I'd think the bag to have been packed in the mid to late 1990s.

As far as My Mixture #28,000. Dunhill kept a book at their London store that cataloged all blending (done in the store) and each custom mixture, for or by smokers, had a number. I'm in the book in April of 1980 and my number was something like #9365 (don't remember exactly) but until 2000 (or later) it would have been impossible to track custom mixtures across the pond and back (needed WAN or Internet as well as the application) so I expect that, if they were careful, they assigned blocks of numbers to different sourcing areas and #28,000 was either the next number that could be used or the next round number because they had no real idea of what number to use (probable) and just jumped ahead.

Sounds like there was (a lot of) cased burley in the mixture and I believe that someone mentioned that there was some Perique. If the tobacco was vacuum sealed and under pressure then the ageing (marrying) would occur more rapidly and with those components things could get quite messy. I have a tin of Elephant & Castle Isle of Skye from 1985, (>10% St. James Perique - the original stuff), that I opened and allowed to dry in 2000 and then re-hydrated starting in 2013. The tobacco from the top or edges has been spectacular but the tobacco from the middle (more heavily pressed) is a flamethrower and a muddle. The Isle of Skye is a VaPer so the impact would probably be even greater with burley (and aromatics) if under pressure. Even the weight of the bag would cause pressure in this case.

Please let me know if it was a vacuum seal because that would explain a lot. You paid less for 5-LBS than many pay for 50-grams in an aged tin. Sorry that it's not been good but you were intrepid to buy it.

You might want to call Lane Ltd., explain your story and then send an email of the label to see if anyone there could help you more clearly identify the blend and time frame.

Regards,

Pete

[Haebar]

Hi Tab,

Interesting find and I'd have dropped the coin too. Was this vacuum sealed? (explains a lot including possibly dating). Was the tobacco moist when you opened it?

I expect that the bag, based on the quantity, was a custom mixture for a tobacco store, quite possibly 1Q with some additions as noted (somewhere else) in the thread. 5-lbs would be about the minimum that any tobacco vendor would custom make. Possibly a sample to test in a store with, hopefully, larger quantity to follow if successful?

The earliest that this tobacco may be from is about 1990, (based on this link): California Anti-Smoking Legislation (search for WARN) (http://www.tobaccofreeca.com/timeline_viewer.php). This is when California legislated this wording of the warning label to appear on cigars (and I presume pipe tobacco). Obviously it could be anytime after this. Dunhill bought Lane in 1976 (according to this link): Dunhill discussion (do text search, ctrl+F, for LANE) (http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.smokers.pipes/2005-07/msg00312.html). The custom (part) of the printing on the label, "My Mixture 28,000", "5 LBS" and "C091" appears to be dot-matrix printing, and I suppose that "C091' is a product code. My Mixture 28,000 sounds like a Dunhill moniker.

I have no idea when, nor if, Lane used Vacuum seals on their bulks (if this is indeed sealed that way) but if so that would probably push this into the mid 1990s. The label template itself, (without dot-matrix), appears to have been made before use of computer graphics. but obviously not before 1990 (because of the California warning). By today's standards, it's an old style of label but they'd probably have used them towards exhaustion. Lane was sold to Rothman's (per the link above) in 1987 but it's likely that little changed for some time after any acquisition especially if they continued to trade under the Dunhill or Lane names (as the My Mixture would indicate).

Dunhill owned >=1976 and <=??
Tucker Georgia manufacture >=1983
California Warning >=1990
Probably a PC-based, dot-matrix printer labeling system, >=1990 (could have been earlier but doubtful especially in the tobacco business).
No bar code <= 2005 (or a bit earlier).

If I had to venture a (conservative) guess I'd think the bag to have been packed in the mid to late 1990s.

As far as My Mixture #28,000. Dunhill kept a book at their London store that cataloged all blending (done in the store) and each custom mixture, for or by smokers, had a number. I'm in the book in April of 1980 and my number was something like #9365 (don't remember exactly) but until 2000 (or later) it would have been impossible to track custom mixtures across the pond and back (needed WAN or Internet as well as the application) so I expect that, if they were careful, they assigned blocks of numbers to different sourcing areas and #28,000 was either the next number that could be used or the next round number because they had no real idea of what number to use (probable) and just jumped ahead.

Sounds like there was (a lot of) cased burley in the mixture and I believe that someone mentioned that there was some Perique. If the tobacco was vacuum sealed and under pressure then the ageing (marrying) would occur more rapidly and with those components things could get quite messy. I have a tin of Elephant & Castle Isle of Skye from 1985, (>10% St. James Perique - the original stuff), that I opened and allowed to dry in 2000 and then re-hydrated starting in 2013. The tobacco from the top or edges has been spectacular but the tobacco from the middle (more heavily pressed) is a flamethrower and a muddle. The Isle of Skye is a VaPer so the impact would probably be even greater with burley (and aromatics) if under pressure. Even the weight of the bag would cause pressure in this case.

Please let me know if it was a vacuum seal because that would explain a lot. You paid less for 5-LBS than many pay for 50-grams in an aged tin. Sorry that it's not been good but you were intrepid to buy it.

You might want to call Lane Ltd., explain your story and then send an email of the label to see if anyone there could help you more clearly identify the blend and time frame.

Regards,

Pete

Hi Pete,

No, it was opened when I bought it so I don't know if it was ever vacuum sealed. You amaze me with your knowledge and powers of deduction! The auction listing (silent auction at the Nashville Pipe Show) stated that it was a Dunhill blend and 10 years old, however I agree with you that it may be much older. It was donated to the auction by Uptown Smoke Shop in Nashville. I contacted them via email after the show trying to get information on the blend and the fellow who responded said that it was probably a light burley blend with a floral aroma. It was moist when I got it, even though the bag had been opened. I tried to dry some out by sitting it out on a plate for several days, but it still held most of it's moisture. It smoked hot to me.

[NeverBend]

Hi Pete,

No, it was opened when I bought it so I don't know if it was ever vacuum sealed. You amaze me with your knowledge and powers of deduction! The auction listing (silent auction at the Nashville Pipe Show) stated that it was a Dunhill blend and 10 years old, however I agree with you that it may be much older. It was donated to the auction by Uptown Smoke Shop in Nashville. I contacted them via email after the show trying to get information on the blend and the fellow who responded said that it was probably a light burley blend with a floral aroma. It was moist when I got it, even though the bag had been opened. I tried to dry some out by sitting it out on a plate for several days, but it still held most of it's moisture. It smoked hot to me.

Hi Tab,

I'm concerned that the tobacco was open and still moist unless unless, and I think that this is a strong possibility, it was opened and sampled and deemed ready to donate :).

I'd be surprised if it's actually less than 15 years old. It is possible that it's based on or a Dunhill blend but making one, as per my own example in their store, is as easy as making it. Does it have Perique?

Pete

[freestoke]

I would give it away but I really think it is bad, bad tobacco. The casings have overtaken the heart of the leaf and spirited away the best of the tobacco flavor. It's like a 10-year old Twinkie now; all that's left is the flavor of the casings and it burns really, really hot. If anybody wants it, you can have it for the shipping cost.

First, Twinkies are non-flammable. Second, a 10-year Twinkie is indistinguishable from a fresh one.

Maybe it's 354.430379747 times as bad as M79.

[Haebar]

Hi Tab,

I'm concerned that the tobacco was open and still moist unless unless, and I think that this is a strong possibility, it was opened and sampled and deemed ready to donate :).

I'd be surprised if it's actually less than 15 years old. It is possible that it's based on or a Dunhill blend but making one, as per my own example in their store, is as easy as making it. Does it have Perique?

Pete

I didn't detect Perique myself.

[Haebar]

First, Twinkies are non-flammable. Second, a 10-year Twinkie is indistinguishable from a fresh one.

Maybe it's 354.430379747 times as bad as M79.

Lol! You've got a good point; maybe Twinkies was not a good analogy.

[c.ortiz108]

I guess it's also possible they just re-used a bag and filled it with their "best of the rest" blend.

[Haebar]

I guess it's also possible they just re-used a bag and filled it with their "best of the rest" blend.

That thought crossed my mind. It was very consistently brown however, no bright or black components that I can remember.

[Desertlifter]

First, Twinkies are non-flammable. Second, a 10-year Twinkie is indistinguishable from a fresh one.

Maybe it's 354.430379747 times as bad as M79.

I that even possible? <shudder>

[Emperor Zurg]

First, Twinkies are non-flammable. Second, a 10-year Twinkie is indistinguishable from a fresh one.

Maybe it's 354.430379747 times as bad as M79.

Freestoke! Where teh hail you been?!?

[NeverBend]

Freestoke! Where teh hail you been?!?

"The" even

[freestoke]

Freestoke! Where teh hail you been?!?

Golfing! Lotsa cigars, not so much pipe this summer. Plus, I'm outa Royal Yacht, so I don't want to bum everybody out with my tales of woe clearing out the cellar. Howdy, Zug!

[NeverBend]

Golfing! Lotsa cigars, not so much pipe this summer. Plus, I'm outa Royal Yacht, so I don't want to bum everybody out with my tales of woe clearing out the cellar. Howdy, Zug!

Howdy Jim,

Glad to see you back!

Pipes and Cigars currently has Royal Yacht on sale @$7.99 a tin. Now aren't you glad that you returned :).

Regards,

Pete

[Lostmason]

So Haebar, exactly how much tobacco is 5#? Would you mind taking a picture of it next to a yardstick or measuring tape?


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How's that ?

[Bruck]

How's that ?

Wow, that's a lotta leaf! Hope you can tame it.

[Lostmason]

Wow, that's a lotta leaf! Hope you can tame it.

I'm sure gonna try,It does have a bite.it's kind of strange though.Usually,when I get tongue bite it is right up the center of my tongue.Where the steam rolls.This though is thru out the mouth , like eating chili's.Seems to have a strong peppery taste,at least that is what my brain is saying.I tried cutting it with a burley blend at 50/50 but it's still got quite a lot of bite to it.I'll try and bigger difference say 75/25 to see if that does the trick.

Matthew

[Bruck]

I'm sure gonna try,It does have a bite.it's kind of strange though.Usually,when I get tongue bite it is right up the center of my tongue.Where the steam rolls.This though is thru out the mouth , like eating chili's.Seems to have a strong peppery taste,at least that is what my brain is saying.I tried cutting it with a burley blend at 50/50 but it's still got quite a lot of bite to it.I'll try and bigger difference say 75/25 to see if that does the trick.

Matthew

LOL, you got 15# of burley?

[Lostmason]

LOL, you got 15# of burley?

No,but I've got time.A little here ,a little there. Maybe I'll plant crops next spring. Lol :eye:

[freestoke]

Howdy Jim,

Glad to see you back!

Pipes and Cigars currently has Royal Yacht on sale @$7.99 a tin. Now aren't you glad that you returned :).

Regards,

Pete

Thanks, Pete! I'm coming close to needing a case of pipe cleaners, so maybe I'll find the energy to order some.

The sparse reviews in so far on M28000 are starting to sound hauntingly familiar, much like those for its namesake, M79.

[freestoke]

I that even possible? <shudder>

Of course, its absolute smokability might be essentially the same if it was 354.430379747 times better than M79.

[Desertlifter]

Of course, its absolute smokability might be essentially the same if it was 354.430379747 times better than M79.

Brother Freestoke - so good to hear from you.

But Mixture 79? Never again. Until I do. I keep things classy with my lovely Ennerdale if I need the type.

Now I want a bowl of Ennerdale.

[NeverBend]

I just received a sample of the My Mixture #28,000 from Matt (@Lostmason).

It looks like 1Q, was properly moist and soft in the plastic bag and it wasn't broken much if at all.

The aroma was gone and replaced by a smell that I recognized immediately as acetone. Don't smoke this, nor blend with it, it's effectively a 1Q and paint thinner. It has to be tossed.

This was an alcohol based aromatic and when it oxidizes it becomes acetone. I had to wash my hands several times to remove the smell.

Tab (@Haebar) you might want to call the people who auctioned this stuff and even the store, and let them know what they sold. You might not get your money back but you'll at least alert them so that they don't do this again. Not healthy.

Wish I had better news.

Regards,

Pete

[Emperor Zurg]

Acetone? Maybe your wife can use it to remove her nail polish....

[Haebar]

I just received a sample of the My Mixture #28,000 from Matt (@Lostmason).

It looks like 1Q, was properly moist and soft in the plastic bag and it wasn't broken much if at all.

The aroma was gone and replaced by a smell that I recognized immediately as acetone. Don't smoke this, nor blend with it, it's effectively a 1Q and paint thinner. It has to be tossed.

This was an alcohol based aromatic and when it oxidizes it becomes acetone. I had to wash my hands several times to remove the smell.

Tab (@Haebar) you might want to call the people who auctioned this stuff and even the store, and let them know what they sold. You might not get your money back but you'll at least alert them so that they don't do this again. Not healthy.

Wish I had better news.

Regards,

Pete

Thanks Pete! I will let them know about the matter.

[Lostmason]

Well,,,,,would it remove the tar and nicotine from 35 years of cigarettes?

Seriously though, Thanks for the info,I'll dispose of it promptly.

Matthew

[freestoke]

Compost it! Throw it out in the yard and it'll turn into dirt.

[Nachman]

Dunhill had a brief brain fart and had Lane mix up some aromatics which they sold under the names MM 20,000 series. They were terrible and available only in the Dunhill stores, especially NY. They flopped and the remainder was sold off. I bought a couple and had them for a few years before I tossed them.

[Haebar]

I just received a sample of the My Mixture #28,000 from Matt (@Lostmason).

It looks like 1Q, was properly moist and soft in the plastic bag and it wasn't broken much if at all.

The aroma was gone and replaced by a smell that I recognized immediately as acetone. Don't smoke this, nor blend with it, it's effectively a 1Q and paint thinner. It has to be tossed.

This was an alcohol based aromatic and when it oxidizes it becomes acetone. I had to wash my hands several times to remove the smell.

Tab (@Haebar) you might want to call the people who auctioned this stuff and even the store, and let them know what they sold. You might not get your money back but you'll at least alert them so that they don't do this again. Not healthy.

Wish I had better news.

Regards,

Pete

I sent an email to Uptown's Tobacconist shop in Nashville about the My Mixture 28,000 issue on Tuesday night. Haven't heard back from them yet. They had contributed the tobacco for the silent auction.