DE/Liga Privada!

[projectsunfire]

Haters & whores alike...let's talk about them. What is your favorite? Your least favorite? Your unicorn?

[tnlawyer]

I'm not much of a fan, but I did receive a lancero (believe it was a Liga Privada A?) at a DE event in Nashville that was pretty tasty.

[Demuths1770]

I'm not much of a fan, but I did receive a lancero (believe it was a Liga Privada A?) at a DE event in Nashville that was pretty tasty.

yeah that would be a liga A only given out at events that JD is at.

i really enjoy the undercrown, the number 9 is awesome and my favorite unico right now is the UF13. have a FFP resting right now and am going to a Drew Estate Event tonight

[Rocket Scientologist]

Not gonna lie, I really like the Isla del Sol.

[stonecutter2]

I like the Undercrown Corona Viva and No 9. And I really enjoy the MUWAT Baitfish.

[jp1979]

I was a fan, now I just don't smoke many of them and certainly don't chase them. Will smoke a Dirty Rat or L40 if given the chance to buy one for a decent price.

[lvfcrook1503]

Haters & whores alike...let's talk about them. What is your favorite? Your least favorite? Your unicorn?

Think I fall into the whore category lol

Favorite regular production is the T52 robusto
Favorite Unico is the Ratzilla

Unicorn is the Black Rat and T52 Tubo since there's only 5 boxes in the world

[Demuths1770]

Think I fall into the whore category lol

Favorite regular production is the T52 robusto
Favorite Unico is the Ratzilla

Unicorn is the Black Rat and T52 Tubo since there's only 5 boxes in the world

your more than a wore man lol. hoping to snag some new DE swag tonight, i fell a crystal ashtray coming lol

[lvfcrook1503]

your more than a wore man lol. hoping to snag some new DE swag tonight, i fell a crystal ashtray coming lol

If they have anything special you got my number! I can paypal you quick lol

[BananaWind]

I mostly smoke the #9 Robusto and I am enjoying the new Undercrown Flying Pigs.

[Browns7213]

My experience with them is limited, but here is my list.

Liga Specific
Favorite: Flying Ferral Pig
Least Favorite: Liga #9
Unicorn: None, but would like to try the L40 sometime

Overall DE
Favorite: Tabac Especial Red-Eye
Least Favorite: Nica Rustica
Unicorn: None

[Tombstone]

You cannot beat the undercrown when it comes to value. Reasonable price and great flavors. From the LP lines UF-13 is the only one I occasionally buy. I enjoy it just not the price. I don't think any of the LPs are bad just more than I am will to spend on them for the enjoyment I get from them.

The Hera Estelí is great. I enjoy those on a regular basis.

For DE's flavored lines I have enjoyed the Acid Nasty, Toast Maduro, Opulence 3, and the Ambrosia lines.

[TreySC]

The only ones I've smoked are the undercrown, muwat, and a couple Herrea's. I won a contest a while back and got an LP9 from '09. an LP9 tubo, a T52 flying pig and a couple other sticks. I've been waiting on the 9's because most people say they are better fresh and I'd like to try a fresh one first to compare. I'll save the pig for a special occasion since I'll probably never see one in person again.

[lvfcrook1503]

Unicorn: None, but would like to try the L40 sometime

Consider this done....Turning 30 tomorrow so I will probably be an utter waste of life until Sunday. Will send you a little care pack on Monday

[DogRockets]

Love the Undercrown and Nica Rustica.

Do yourself a favor - get a meatlovers pizza from a great pizza shop in your town, light up a Nica Rustica, and have at it. There is something about that combination that is unbelievable.

I've had some LP#9 and while I enjoyed it I probably don't like enough for full price. I haven't had any of the other versions of LP yet.

I enjoyed a MUWAT Bait Fish given to me - haven't tried a full size one yet.

Haven't had the pleasure of a Herrera or a Norteno yet but want to try both.

[cvoss]

I enjoy them, but there are better cigars out there for the price. I'd take a Tat Black over any LP.

[projectsunfire]

I'm definitely a full blown whore. My current fave is the UF13. I prefer the T52 over the No 9. My taste seems to change by the week but at the moment... every time I open the wineador I go to the LP drawer first.

I know many will consider this pure blasphemy but i had a Padron 1926 last night and the entire time I wished it was a T52 lol

[Jordan23]

From what I've tried- which has been the ligas and the undercrown-I'm a fan of the undercrown. I buy em when I find a great deal on them.

[wabashcr]

Undercrown Corona Viva and Papas Fritas are the only ones in my regular rotation. I've smoked a fair number of #9s and T52s, which I definitely enjoy, but are a little more than I care to spend. I burn through Nica Rusticas from time to time, too. I like HE's quite a bit, but don't normally buy them. Not sure why.

I really don't care for the KFCs. The fire cured tobacco tastes like campfire or burning leaves to me. Just not at all what I'm looking for in a cigar.

[Demuths1770]

If they have anything special you got my number! I can paypal you quick lol

i will be the norm on sticks and than the rafle prizes

[lvfcrook1503]

i will be the norm on sticks and than the rafle prizes

I need Velvets!!!! lol

[Demuths1770]

I need Velvets!!!! lol

see look your acting like a whore now lol. maybe i can get my hads on a hat for ya man!! :D

[Billb1960]

I think whoever developed the marketing plan for DE is brilliant

[HIM]

I enjoy all the LPs. My favorite is probably the Ratzilla. Unicorn would be the A or #9 flying pig. The others I already have.

[cvoss]

I enjoy all the LPs. My favorite is probably the Ratzilla. Unicorn would be the A or #9 flying pig. The others I already have.

I have an A I'd be willing to trade if you're interested.

[herman]

Love the #9 and like the T52.
I got tired of paying up and my money started going towards other brands.
Doesn't mean you will ever find my humidor with less than 5 of each.

[Mulley]

My first DE cigar was an Undercrown and I really enjoyed it. I have an LP #9 resting, but unless it blows the UC out of the water I will stick with the UC. Better bang for my buck.

I have a couple MUWATS Ive been wanting to try but other items have been higher on my hit list.

The only unico I have is a UC Flying pig that I have yet to try.

[Gunther7912]

I've had the #9 and the FFP and enjoyed both very much, but they are more than I would like to spend typically.

The next on the list to try is the norteño in lancero. I hear these are especially tasty. Not sure if someone local has them or if this will become my first online purchase...

[Demuths1770]

My first DE cigar was an Undercrown and I really enjoyed it. I have an LP #9 resting, but unless it blows the UC out of the water I will stick with the UC. Better bang for my buck.

I have a couple MUWATS Ive been wanting to try but other items have been higher on my hit list.

The only unico I have is a UC Flying pig that I have yet to try.

more than likely the 9 will blow it out of the water, the undercown is basically the same as a liga just with cheaper cuts of the tobacco but the undercown is the budget friendly tasty next best thing

[averagejoe]

Dirty Rat is my fave, followed closely by the FFP.
Undercrown Corona Viva is also a great affordable smoke.

[OldSkoolTarHeel]

I absolutely love the UC Corona Viva. You can't beat the value of the entire UC line. I've had a few No. 9's, but don't think they're as amazing as most others think. I've never had an L40 I liked, I think I just got two bum ones. The FFP is AMAZING as well. Dirty Rat's aren't that great, but UF-13's I really enjoy. The Norteno is quickly moving it's way up my list of favorites also.

Of all those that I've tried, I still can't believe I haven't tried a T-52. NY taxes just kill Liga's here.

[zeebee]

The #9 is one of my favorite smokes, but due to price I only smoke it when I'm at a B&M as a little treat.
For some reason I can't find a T52 when I get the opportunity to smoke at a lounge.

[projectsunfire]

I have an A I'd be willing to trade if you're interested.

I'm interested if he doesn't bite!

[cvoss]

I'm interested if he doesn't bite!

He bit. If I run across another, it's yours.

[thechasm442]

Liga 9 Robusto, Undercrown corona viva, and HE lonsdale are in my regular rotation. I really like the HE Piramide Fino, Dirty Rat, and UF 13 as well.

*edit* how did I forget to mention Norteno? One of the 2 best smokes of 2014 IMO.

[projectsunfire]

He bit. If I run across another, it's yours.

Haha ok. Thanks!

[anthony d]

#9
Undercrown
Herrera Esteli Norteño

Love all 3.

[goatking]

Hello, my name is goatking and I have a Liga Privada addiction:

4 Liga A's
5 Liga No. 9 Pigs
2 T-52 Pigs
Original Release Feral Flying Pig
2 box Feral Flying Pig
Original Undercrown Pig
1 box Undercrown Pig
2 Original Release Ratzilla
1.5 bundle Ratzilla
1 box UF-13
3 Dirty Rat
1 box L40
4 2013 UF-4
3 bundle 2014 UF-4
2 Bashert
2 Velvet Rat
1 Nobel Pig
2 Papa Fritas

216217

ISO of Bolivar Gold Medal :-)

[lvfcrook1503]

Hello, my name is goatking and I have a Liga Privada addiction:

4 Liga A's
5 Liga No. 9 Pigs
2 T-52 Pigs
Original Release Feral Flying Pig
2 box Feral Flying Pig
Original Undercrown Pig
1 box Undercrown Pig
2 Original Release Ratzilla
1.5 bundle Ratzilla
1 box UF-13
3 Dirty Rat
1 box L40
4 2013 UF-4
3 bundle 2014 UF-4
2 Bashert
2 Velvet Rat
1 Nobel Pig
2 Papa Fritas

216217

ISO of Bolivar Gold Medal :-)

see kyle Demuths1770....he's much worse than I am lol

[Mulley]

Hello, my name is goatking and I have a Liga Privada addiction:

4 Liga A's
5 Liga No. 9 Pigs
2 T-52 Pigs
Original Release Feral Flying Pig
2 box Feral Flying Pig
Original Undercrown Pig
1 box Undercrown Pig
2 Original Release Ratzilla
1.5 bundle Ratzilla
1 box UF-13
3 Dirty Rat
1 box L40
4 2013 UF-4
3 bundle 2014 UF-4
2 Bashert
2 Velvet Rat
1 Nobel Pig
2 Papa Fritas

216217

ISO of Bolivar Gold Medal :-)

Wow!!! That is an impressive collection!

[Demuths1770]

i will have a a box at the event in April come hell or high water lol. Had another awesome event last night with Chris "The Angry Gnome" Stone

[projectsunfire]

Hello, my name is goatking and I have a Liga Privada addiction:

4 Liga A's
5 Liga No. 9 Pigs
2 T-52 Pigs
Original Release Feral Flying Pig
2 box Feral Flying Pig
Original Undercrown Pig
1 box Undercrown Pig
2 Original Release Ratzilla
1.5 bundle Ratzilla
1 box UF-13
3 Dirty Rat
1 box L40
4 2013 UF-4
3 bundle 2014 UF-4
2 Bashert
2 Velvet Rat
1 Nobel Pig
2 Papa Fritas

216217

ISO of Bolivar Gold Medal :-)

very nice! since LP's don't age well I think you should let some of those go ;)

[lvfcrook1503]

LP's don't age well

I keep hearing this....Do they just get bland or what??? They usually don't last that long in my stash other than the collectors lol

[Demuths1770]

I keep hearing this....Do they just get bland or what??? They usually don't last that long in my stash other than the collectors lol

the ligas are made of aged tobacco and than aged as well before being sent out. the only ligas i heard that dont age well are the 9s and the t52s

[HIM]

Hello, my name is goatking and I have a Liga Privada addiction:

4 Liga A's
5 Liga No. 9 Pigs
2 T-52 Pigs
Original Release Feral Flying Pig
2 box Feral Flying Pig
Original Undercrown Pig
1 box Undercrown Pig
2 Original Release Ratzilla
1.5 bundle Ratzilla
1 box UF-13
3 Dirty Rat
1 box L40
4 2013 UF-4
3 bundle 2014 UF-4
2 Bashert
2 Velvet Rat
1 Nobel Pig
2 Papa Fritas

216217

ISO of Bolivar Gold Medal :-)

Pfff no No. 9 tubo? Just joking lol.... thats a seriously impressive Liga stash!!

[HIM]

the ligas are made of aged tobacco and than aged as well before being sent out. the only ligas i heard that dont age well are the 9s and the t52s

IMO the T52s mellow down while the 9s and Undercrowns go flat. I like the T52 better fresh but can see where others would like them with a year on them. The Unicos do seem to have good legs though.

[goatking]

Ahh good reminder, yes - I have a No. 9 tubo :-)

[lvfcrook1503]

IMO the T52s mellow down while the 9s and Undercrowns go flat. I like the T52 better fresh but can see where others would like them with a year on them. The Unicos do seem to have good legs though.

I love the T52....I gotta make some trades and get some...Been out for a while now and they're tough to find near me

[Demuths1770]

I love the T52....I gotta make some trades and get some...Been out for a while now and they're tough to find near me

really?? man im gonna have to show you around when you come here lol. save up big man lol

[lvfcrook1503]

really?? man im gonna have to show you around when you come here lol. save up big man lol

lmao that's the plan

[Demuths1770]

there are atleast 4-5 B&Ms that stock ligas like they are going out of style. Maybe you should go for the 3 box deal at the Drew Estate event lol

[lvfcrook1503]

there are atleast 4-5 B&Ms that stock ligas like they are going out of style. Maybe you should go for the 3 box deal at the Drew Estate event lol

If they have pigs/40s I just might lmao

[Demuths1770]

If they have pigs/40s I just might lmao

i hope they have pigs!!!! they will probably have uf13s and dirty rats for sure which would be ok for me too. i really liked the uf13

[lvfcrook1503]

i hope they have pigs!!!! they will probably have uf13s and dirty rats for sure which would be ok for me too. i really liked the uf13


As big as CI is I can't imagine that they won't have something that the smaller places don't

[Jolly_WhiteGiant]

UF-13 has been my favorite by far. My unicorns are the velvet rat and T-52 Pig. A man can dream right?

[lvfcrook1503]

UF-13 has been my favorite by far. My unicorns are the velvet rat and T-52 Pig. A man can dream right?

I'm looking too brother

[projectsunfire]

I love the T52....I gotta make some trades and get some...Been out for a while now and they're tough to find near me

you can actually get them for a few bucks less than msrp on cibd from time to time. I grabbed a several 5-packs of the Belicoso for $55. CI has them listed for $71 so not bad.

As far as them not aging I think the Unicos do age well. I had a UF13 last week that had over a year on it and I thought it was amazing. Like..."I need to order a box or 3 of these RIGHT NOW" amazing

[JCMaduro]

I've tried an undercrown but didn't care for it much. I do like the #9's I've had and the Papas Fritas are excellent imho, but since they come from the #9 that's not suprising. Haven't tried rats or pigs or the "fancier" ones but would like to sometime. If the #9s don't age well... How long is too long in the humi?

[droy1958]

I absolutely love the UC Corona Viva. You can't beat the value of the entire UC line. I've had a few No. 9's, but don't think they're as amazing as most others think. I've never had an L40 I liked, I think I just got two bum ones. The FFP is AMAZING as well. Dirty Rat's aren't that great, but UF-13's I really enjoy. The Norteno is quickly moving it's way up my list of favorites also.

Of all those that I've tried, I still can't believe I haven't tried a T-52. NY taxes just kill Liga's here.

Same for me. Haven't tried a T-52, but I'll get to it someday.....

[c.ortiz108]

So you DE aficionados, what would you say is the most representative of the brand? What's the love 'em or hate 'em stick? And what's the best one to start with for the DE virgin?

[Horseshoe]

So you DE aficionados, what would you say is the most representative of the brand? What's the love 'em or hate 'em stick? And what's the best one to start with for the DE virgin?

I would say Undercrown. It is in my opinion a gateway to DE. But I have only had like 6 DE/LP sticks.

[cvoss]

UF-13 has been my favorite by far. My unicorns are the velvet rat and T-52 Pig. A man can dream right?

I smoked a T52 pig a few months ago. They are way past their prime IMO. Just from a smokable cigar point of view, they aren't worth $5. If a fresh batch is released, go for it. Otherwise I'd pass. If you want them as a collector, ignore everything I just said.

[anthony d]

So you DE aficionados, what would you say is the most representative of the brand? What's the love 'em or hate 'em stick? And what's the best one to start with for the DE virgin?

On the less expensive end, the Undercrown for sure. On the higher end, the #9.

[lvfcrook1503]

I've tried an undercrown but didn't care for it much. I do like the #9's I've had and the Papas Fritas are excellent imho, but since they come from the #9 that's not suprising. Haven't tried rats or pigs or the "fancier" ones but would like to sometime. If the #9s don't age well... How long is too long in the humi?

Mine usually don't see 8 Months and they've all been fine

[lvfcrook1503]

So you DE aficionados, what would you say is the most representative of the brand? What's the love 'em or hate 'em stick? And what's the best one to start with for the DE virgin?

Depends. Are you saying representative as in the one that EVERYONE knows and recognizes?? If so then Acid hands down.

If you mean which has the best combo of flavor and construction to really show what DE can do...L40 or FFP

Start with an Undercrown Corona Viva. If you like it go to a No.9, then T52, then get into the Unicos. That's usually the part of the slope that is covered in crisco, WD40, and snot. Once you hit that point there's no stopping, you're going to slide all the way down lol.....speaking from experience

[B daddy]

I've enjoyed every (non-infused) DE stick I've tried. ... Except my first few FFPs. Came away thinking "meh, what's all the noise about?" Smoked one last weekend though and it was one of the best cigars I can recall. Not sure why but it did change my opinion of them.

I stock 2s or 3s of several of them (regulars and unicos) and always keep a box of UC CVs.

[Jolly_WhiteGiant]

I smoked a T52 pig a few months ago. They are way past their prime IMO. Just from a smokable cigar point of view, they aren't worth $5. If a fresh batch is released, go for it. Otherwise I'd pass. If you want them as a collector, ignore everything I just said.

The Velvet rat I would smoke but I think the T52 pig is just more of a collecting thing. I'll just smoke a FFP if I want a good pig!

[Mulley]

Depends. Are you saying representative as in the one that EVERYONE knows and recognizes?? If so then Acid hands down.

If you mean which has the best combo of flavor and construction to really show what DE can do...L40 or FFP

Start with an Undercrown Corona Viva. If you like it go to a No.9, then T52, then get into the Unicos. That's usually the part of the slope that is covered in crisco, WD40, and snot. Once you hit that point there's no stopping, you're going to slide all the way down lol.....speaking from experience

LOL! That is one way to put it!

[gordo1473]

Hello my name is Brian and I'm a LP whore. I'm not ashamed at the fact I love me some de cigars. My favorite is the dirty rat with the FFP a close second. For all you de haters my address is..... Lol.

[projectsunfire]

So you DE aficionados, what would you say is the most representative of the brand? What's the love 'em or hate 'em stick? And what's the best one to start with for the DE virgin?

My Uzi Weighs a Ton was actually my gateway to getting hooked on the LP's. Unlike most I prefer it over the Undercrown.

[MoreBeer]

I was a big fan of Liga's from the very beginning. Originally a box of #9 or #52 Toro's were priced close to where Undercrowns are today. I'm thinking about $185. Although I've had them all, my overall fave is the #9 Toro. Always have a box of those on hand.

[HIM]

Start with the 9 toro its the original Liga. Then try the T52. After that the rest are like their offspring.

[Sprouthog]

9 belicoso

[c.ortiz108]

If you mean which has the best combo of flavor and construction to really show what DE can do...L40 or FFP


Yeah, that's what I meant. Like their signature stick. Thanks for all the answers!

[teckneekz]

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag302/teckneekz/Mobile%20Uploads/3579A1B0-30CB-4334-A0C9-20644FE47FD2.png_zpsztkbsnpx.jpeg (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/teckneekz/media/Mobile%20Uploads/3579A1B0-30CB-4334-A0C9-20644FE47FD2.png_zpsztkbsnpx.jpeg.html)

Enjoy.

[Browns7213]

He bit. If I run across another, it's yours.

Does anyone actually smoke the A's or do people just keep them as a collectable?

[lvfcrook1503]

Does anyone actually smoke the A's or do people just keep them as a collectable?

If I could find another to keep sealed Id smoke one

[Demuths1770]

Does anyone actually smoke the A's or do people just keep them as a collectable?

om hoping on getting a A or manifesto at my next DE event and probably wouldnt smoke em i would want to keep them to just look at em. if i had two (sets) i would smoke one and keep one

[JCMaduro]

Mine usually don't see 8 Months and they've all been fine


Just lit up a robusto #9 that has been in my humi about 2 years. Still good to me!

[teckneekz]

i've smoked the manifesto. its a tweaked L40 blend with a Herrera esteli wrapper. great smoke to enjoy during an event.

[Demuths1770]

i wouldnt be able to smoke it lol. i would want to keep it. the manifesto looks really sweet. i would be happy with either a manifesto or a A lol

[Demuths1770]

liga whore lvfcrook1503 needs a manifesto now lol

[droy1958]

Haven't tried many, but I have smoked the #9, Undercrown & Herrera Esteli and enjoyed all of them. I have a MUWAT, but haven't smoked it yet. Never had or seen any T52 or Unicorns at the B&M as of yet...

[Mulley]

Just picked up a T-52 the other day looking forward to that and a #9! Plus going to a cigar event tomorrow, so lets hope I will get something good from DE!:cheerful:

[Demuths1770]

Just picked up a T-52 the other day looking forward to that and a #9! Plus going to a cigar event tomorrow, so lets hope I will get something good from DE!:cheerful:

Is it a Drew estate event??? They are the best

[muhren]

Dirty Rat is my favorite. I try to keep some on hand.

M

[Mulley]

Is it a Drew estate event??? They are the best

No it is being done by a shop called the Smoke Inn, but DE seems to be the main sponsor.

[Brent Strande]

Where do most of y'all pick up your DE/LPs?

I was bombed a #9 and am letting her rest 'til the right occasion-told she already has a year on her! Looking at T52 samplers: which vitola?

[jhedrick83]

Where do most of y'all pick up your DE/LPs?

I was bombed a #9 and am letting her rest 'til the right occasion-told she already has a year on her! Looking at T52 samplers: which vitola?

I usually pick them up from my local B&M on the rare occasion I buy them. I like them, but not as much as others. A side note (and the bigger reason I posted this) is I think I recall Steve Saka saying in an interview that he doesn't let #9s rest for longer than a couple years. IIRC he said they tend to decline in taste after too long. Maybe another member here can help me with that. I could be wrong! Just a heads up so you don't hold it too long and end up disappointed.

[Brent Strande]

I usually pick them up from my local B&M on the rare occasion I buy them. I like them, but not as much as others. A side note (and the bigger reason I posted this) is I think I recall Steve Saka saying in an interview that he doesn't let #9s rest for longer than a couple years. IIRC he said they tend to decline in taste after too long. Maybe another member here can help me with that. I could be wrong! Just a heads up so you don't hold it too long and end up disappointed.

Great advice. Good thing I don't have much self control! :stogie:

[Brlesq]

With the cold winter, I enjoy the Papas Fritas

[teckneekz]

Ligas like the ferals lose their umph with age. The thing I like about a feral is the strength. It loses that after a year. The undercrown corona viva has the best flavor imo and does well after a year's rest. Good daily smoke for the price. You can find boxes online for about $100.

Best unico is the liga 9 flying pig. I was disappointed with the 52 flying pig. UC flying pig is the best vitola in the Uc line. Do urself a favor and grab a box.

Ligas all started to taste too similar to me and I was a huge fan before but maybe my tastes have just changed. They all have a distinctive ligaprivada flavor that all go back to the no9 for me. To each their own.

Try the herrera tienda release from barrister. They're my local bnm that is a sponsored liga lounge. First lounge exclusive for HE.

[Sigaar]

I've only had the Undercrown, which I enjoyed. In fact, I might fire one up this morning.

I also have a No. 9 resting that I'll try at some point.

[teckneekz]

I've only had the Undercrown, which I enjoyed. In fact, I might fire one up this morning.

I also have a No. 9 resting that I'll try at some point.

Smoke it. Only way you'll know if u like them or not. They already rest it 1 year before it gets sent out anyway.

[projectsunfire]

I've only had the Undercrown, which I enjoyed. In fact, I might fire one up this morning.

I also have a No. 9 resting that I'll try at some point.

yeah burn it already! As continuously mentioned, most of the line does not improve with age.

[Lynn]

dont care what it is, like robusto size, but I'll cut a churchill in half any day...

[SeaGarr]

So you DE aficionados, what would you say is the most representative of the brand? What's the love 'em or hate 'em stick? And what's the best one to start with for the DE virgin?

What a great question!! I had to think about that for a while.


For me... Drew Estates does "earth" like no other. I am a DE fan for exactly that reason. They just do dirt the way I like dirt done.

So were you a DE virgin, and assuming you have smoked more than your share of maduros, I would say to start with a #9, or a MUWAT Baitfish. I find these two offerings really show off the earth as "only" they know how.

YMMV :)

[Tman]

What a great question!! I had to think about that for a while.


For me... Drew Estates does "earth" like no other. I am a DE fan for exactly that reason. They just do dirt the way I like dirt done.

So were you a DE virgin, and assuming you have smoked more than your share of maduros, I would say to start with a #9, or a MUWAT Baitfish. I find these two offerings really show off the earth as "only" they know how.

YMMV :)

I agree with "earth like no other" statement. They pretty much perfected that craft. I would recommend smoking Undercrown for a while. It's like trying a more affordable 12 year malt scotch before diving into a more refined 15 year+ single malt scotch.

[El Sanchimoto]

First Dirty Rat I had was awesome but the rest have been 'meh'.

Didn't dig the UC or the No. 9.

T52 was pretty decent wouldn't mind a few more of the robs.

I haven't had issues with any L40's to date.

[Joe k]

I'm not a fan of those guys but I do like the #9 & T-52, I like a Undercrown every now and then also

[projectsunfire]

damn...I was watching an auction for ratzilla's...I got out early...someone ended up paying $26 for 3...that's 26 bux EACH. insanity

[Schatzman]

damn...I was watching an auction for ratzilla's...I got out early...someone ended up paying $26 for 3...that's 26 bux EACH. insanity

I wonder what my velvet rats could fetch?

[lvfcrook1503]

damn...I was watching an auction for ratzilla's...I got out early...someone ended up paying $26 for 3...that's 26 bux EACH. insanity

Sadly the prices are going crazy. In the last week I snagged a bashert, 9 pig, 52 pig, and JD-4 but can't get a ratzilla or velvet reasonably priced...It's ridiculous


I wonder what my velvet rats could fetch?

I was on the hunt all week....Supposedly they are going for $60-$75 each because they're not bringing them to events anymore and people are price gouging the hell out of them. Price is either going to continue to climb if they are totally done or the bottom is going to drop out and have a lot of pissed off people if they go into regular Unico production which is being discussed.

[dj1340]

It's crazy what folks will pay for a cigar, wonder how I can get my sealed box of #9 pigs on the auction site. Could bring some good cash I suppose.

[lvfcrook1503]

damn...I was watching an auction for ratzilla's...I got out early...someone ended up paying $26 for 3...that's 26 bux EACH. insanity


It's crazy what folks will pay for a cigar, wonder how I can get my sealed box of #9 pigs on the auction site. Could bring some good cash I suppose.

Honestly you could damn near pay your mortgage for the month....Figure $45 each (average) + extra for the box + Plus a lot extra for the fact that it's still sealed.....Guys on cigar cartel on facebook would go nuts for that

[dj1340]

May sound kind of silly but I found the box at the bottom of my coolidor, I have 2 160qt coolers I use for storage, and not being
all that anal about keeping track of things, they got overlooked. I just may have to look into that. Thanks for the suggestion.

[lvfcrook1503]

damn...I was watching an auction for ratzilla's...I got out early...someone ended up paying $26 for 3...that's 26 bux EACH. insanity


May sound kind of silly but I found the box at the bottom of my coolidor, I have 2 160qt coolers I use for storage, and not being
all that anal about keeping track of things, they got overlooked. I just may have to look into that. Thanks for the suggestion.

If you're not on facebook let me know....I'll put a feeler post up and see what you could expect for them. If you decide to sell them, I'd happily play middle man so you don't have to create an account just for that.

[projectsunfire]

Sadly the prices are going crazy. In the last week I snagged a bashert, 9 pig, 52 pig, and JD-4 but can't get a ratzilla or velvet reasonably priced...It's ridiculous



I was on the hunt all week....Supposedly they are going for $60-$75 each because they're not bringing them to events anymore and people are price gouging the hell out of them. Price is either going to continue to climb if they are totally done or the bottom is going to drop out and have a lot of pissed off people if they go into regular Unico production which is being discussed.

May I ask where you found those?? It's highly doubtful I would spend what these nuts are trying to get for rare LP's but curious where you can even find any. I have a hard time spending just msrp on T52's and No 9's, etc. No way in hell I would pay $75 for any cigar. I was bidding on some L40's and they ended up going for over $20 a piece. PASS

[lvfcrook1503]

May I ask where you found those?? It's highly doubtful I would spend what these nuts are trying to get for rare LP's but curious where you can even find any. I have a hard time spending just msrp on T52's and No 9's, etc. No way in hell I would pay $75 for any cigar. I was bidding on some L40's and they ended up going for over $20 a piece. PASS

Facebook group....I traded for the pigs....Bashert cost me $80 but they're going for $120-$150 all day. Sadly most are not interested in helping a BOTL find a white whale just the money they can make of said whale. I'm working on another deal now for a bashert flying pig and big black rat :D

[Cigars4Troops]

It's crazy what folks will pay for a cigar, wonder how I can get my sealed box of #9 pigs on the auction site. Could bring some good cash I suppose.

box sold on Ebay last year for $1300

[dj1340]

Holy crap that's insane, must have money to burn literally.

[projectsunfire]

Facebook group....I traded for the pigs....Bashert cost me $80 but they're going for $120-$150 all day. Sadly most are not interested in helping a BOTL find a white whale just the money they can make of said whale. I'm working on another deal now for a bashert flying pig and big black rat :D

holy crap. No way I would pay that for 1 stick. Are you smoking them or collecting?

[lvfcrook1503]

holy crap. No way I would pay that for 1 stick. Are you smoking them or collecting?

collecting.....The only thing I have doubles or more of is the JD4 and Ratzilla and then of course the normal unico line

[projectsunfire]

collecting.....The only thing I have doubles or more of is the JD4 and Ratzilla and then of course the normal unico line

thats cool. I would probably do the same if I had some extra cash to burn. Of course I would be soooooo tempted to smoke them!

[lvfcrook1503]

thats cool. I would probably do the same if I had some extra cash to burn. Of course I would be soooooo tempted to smoke them!

Thats why I only keep 1 of each for now lol....If I have 2 I'll end up smoking 1. I might actually trade the other JD4 just so I'm not tempted to smoke it.

[Schatzman]

holy crap. No way I would pay that for 1 stick. Are you smoking them or collecting?

I have 9 Basherts I got for free I should sell for millions.

[lvfcrook1503]

I have 9 Basherts I got for free I should sell for millions.

For the fee of 1 bashert I could probably sell the other 8 for you by the end of the week lol :D

[Demuths1770]

For the fee of 1 bashert I could probably sell the other 8 for you by the end of the week lol :D

you my very good friend are the defination of a liga whore lmao

[lvfcrook1503]

you my very good friend are the defination of a liga whore lmao

Agreed

[Demuths1770]

Hi my names Jimmy and I am a Liga Whore!!
No officer I wasnt gonna do that for a Liga I sware!!
Ill give ya a Liga if you let me off easy judge!!!
Hey big boy have any Ligas ya wanna get rid of????

[projectsunfire]

For the fee of 1 bashert I could probably sell the other 8 for you by the end of the week lol :D

lol...sounds like a good deal

[lvfcrook1503]

Hi my names Jimmy and I am a Liga Whore!!
No officer I wasnt gonna do that for a Liga I sware!!
Ill give ya a Liga if you let me off easy judge!!!
Hey big boy have any Ligas ya wanna get rid of????

Funny part is I only like to collect the rares I only smoke the l40 and ratzilla really lol even the FFPs don't wow me anymore

[frodo]

I really liked the Nica Rustica that I had, Also liked the Undercrows and MUWAT+11. Liked the No. 9 but the price point makes me cautious.

Curious about trying an L40...

Didn't like the T52.

[Demuths1770]

I really liked the Nica Rustica that I had, Also liked the Undercrows and MUWAT+11. Liked the No. 9 but the price point makes me cautious.

Curious about trying an L40...

Didn't like the T52.

if ya didnt like the price point of the 9 you wont like the price of the l40 than lol

[lvfcrook1503]

if ya didnt like the price point of the 9 you wont like the price of the l40 than lol

This....unless you know someone who has a box of them and offer them a trade for one....I may no someone with said box :friendly_wink:

[sparky426]

Hello, my name is goatking and I have a Liga Privada addiction:



4 Liga A's

5 Liga No. 9 Pigs

2 T-52 Pigs

Original Release Feral Flying Pig

2 box Feral Flying Pig

Original Undercrown Pig

1 box Undercrown Pig

2 Original Release Ratzilla

1.5 bundle Ratzilla

1 box UF-13

3 Dirty Rat

1 box L40

4 2013 UF-4

3 bundle 2014 UF-4

2 Bashert

2 Velvet Rat

1 Nobel Pig

2 Papa Fritas



216217



ISO of Bolivar Gold Medal :-)


Holy bananas batman

[DLtoker]

I have a box of Feral Flying Pigs. I've heard they don't age well. Any other opinions?:confused: I'll smoke them all next week if that's the case!

[TreySC]

I have a box of Feral Flying Pigs. I've heard they don't age well. Any other opinions?:confused: I'll smoke them all next week if that's the case!

I've heard they are already bad. Send them to me for proper disposal :stogie:

[DLtoker]

I've heard they are already bad. Send them to me for proper disposal :stogie:

I would! But I think my fiance would kill me as this box was a present. Lucky guy I am, I know...

[lvfcrook1503]

Have a bashert flying pig and pre release 9 coming...black rat...big black rat...saka...and pre release A are in the works.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n20/lvfc_rook_1503/16C7605B-F1F2-4D8B-81F1-6B8450EE67AB_zps681y4pqf.jpg

[projectsunfire]

if ya didnt like the price point of the 9 you wont like the price of the l40 than lol

you can find them on the auction sites for around $20 a piece!

[sparky426]

Have a row of random htf ligas, box and a half of uc pigs, that's about it now, was a fan boy at one time but for their price I can go dark side. Always have room for ferals. Smoked a t52 pig, major let down.
stay smoking my friends

[Demuths1770]

you can find them on the auction sites for around $20 a piece!

i get em for 14-15 for a single

[projectsunfire]

i get em for 14-15 for a single

if you can actually find them...that is what they SHOULD cost

[Demuths1770]

if you can actually find them...that is what they SHOULD cost

i find em all day every day lol the joys of having awesome B&Ms!!!!

[projectsunfire]

i find em all day every day lol the joys of having awesome B&Ms!!!!

yeah I need to go out to more of my semi-local B&M's. One of them is having a DE event next month. have to check it out

[Demuths1770]

yeah I need to go out to more of my semi-local B&M's. One of them is having a DE event next month. have to check it out

all of my B&Ms are either priced the same as online or cheaper usually and many have alot of the htf sticks and even some more local sticks that are not offered online which i like. i hate having to wait for stuff so i rather buy instore and suport local shops. Drew Estate events are the best i have been to so far hands down

[LAN CERO]

Waiting for the smaller vitola of Nica Rustica. The Brujito is just a bit more time in the stick that I like to spend.

[projectsunfire]

New Release: http://drewestate.com/drew-estate-announces-pappy-van-winkles-family-reserve-premium-handmade-cigars/

[dj1340]

What a play on the name of a Bourbon that is very HTF. Wonder if they'll charge accordingly just to make
money off the name. I hope not.

[projectsunfire]

What a play on the name of a Bourbon that is very HTF. Wonder if they'll charge accordingly just to make
money off the name. I hope not.

pre-order is $150 for a box of 10

[dj1340]

That's not a ton but boy they better be good for that price.

[Demuths1770]

What a play on the name of a Bourbon that is very HTF. Wonder if they'll charge accordingly just to make
money off the name. I hope not.

Pappy and company went to drew estate to have these cigars made. The pappy company's job is to market the pappy van Winkle bourbon

[dj1340]

Pappy and company went to drew estate to have these cigars made. The pappy company's job is to market the pappy van Winkle bourbon

Can't understand why anyone wold need to market a Bourbon nobody can seem to get. MSRP for 20 yr is something like $100 and
secondary market is bringing over $2k. Easiest marketing job anyone could ask for.

[HIM]

Can't understand why anyone wold need to market a Bourbon nobody can seem to get. MSRP for 20 yr is something like $100 and
secondary market is bringing over $2k. Easiest marketing job anyone could ask for.

Really couldn't have said it any better Pappy pretty much sells itself at this point. I do think its a cool collaboration though. Hopefully one day someone will take my idea and do a collaboration with Cigar City. That would be epic. Tried pitching the idea on SnS but so far no dice.

[dj1340]

Really couldn't have said it any better Pappy pretty much sells itself at this point. I do think its a cool collaboration though. Hopefully one day someone will take my idea and do a collaboration with Cigar City. That would be epic. Tried pitching the idea on SnS but so far no dice.

Can't imagine why someone isn't jumping at the chance to work with Cigar City. Those guys are killing it with their beers

[projectsunfire]

Can't imagine why someone isn't jumping at the chance to work with Cigar City. Those guys are killing it with their beers

love their Jai Alai IPA!

[dj1340]

love their Jai Alai IPA!

We try and do a golf trip to Tampa every year and I stock up when I go. Friend of mine goes down at other times and grabs
me some. If I go easy I can almost make the stash last 6 months!

[projectsunfire]

We try and do a golf trip to Tampa every year and I stock up when I go. Friend of mine goes down at other times and grabs
me some. If I go easy I can almost make the stash last 6 months!

nice. I'm lucky enough to be able to buy a sixer at the grocery store as well as on draft at local bars

[HIM]

nice. I'm lucky enough to be able to buy a sixer at the grocery store as well as on draft at local bars

Right, I love that can buy Cigar City from Publix.

[projectsunfire]

Right, I love that can buy Cigar City from Publix.

yep. Just wish they had more of a selection. I'm used to Wegmans up north where they have the most insane craft beer selection.

[lvfcrook1503]

That's not a ton but boy they better be good for that price.

I heard from a few guys that had them on the Safari that they were decent. Nothing to go crazy over but solid sticks.


Really couldn't have said it any better Pappy pretty much sells itself at this point. I do think its a cool collaboration though. Hopefully one day someone will take my idea and do a collaboration with Cigar City. That would be epic. Tried pitching the idea on SnS but so far no dice.

Funny Part is I can buy a Bashert Flying Pig (not the normal Bashert), a Black Rat, and a Saka today if I want. All of which there are only a handful of in existence. Pappy is released every year and you can not find it anywhere near a good price. What's worse is the fact that the thing that made Pappy so special was that they were using the very small amount of Stitzel Weller that was still around....That is now gone yet the price of Pappy has gone up and it's nothing more than a limited edition Buffalo Trace now from what I can tell. That's why I stopped chasing it. As much as I want to build a stock pile of HTF booze, I think at some point the market is going to wake up and realize that Pappy isn't the special blend that it used to be.

[HIM]

Personally I don't have enough experience drinking Pappy to say one way or the other. However at the moment it doesn't seem they'll be having any issues selling it all without marketing it anymore.
Whats the normal Bashert I thought there was only the flying pig?

[lvfcrook1503]

Personally I don't have enough experience drinking Pappy to say one way or the other. However at the moment it doesn't seem they'll be having any issues selling it all without marketing it anymore.
Whats the normal Bashert I thought there was only the flying pig?

Normal Bashert was the one for Marvin's wedding. There's another one that's more rare than the black rat/big black rat

[HIM]

I have a Bashert Pig from that wedding Ive just never heard of any other Bashert.

[lvfcrook1503]

I have a Bashert Pig from that wedding Ive just never heard of any other Bashert.

I should have it this week. I'll send you a pic

[HIM]

I should have it this week. I'll send you a pic

Please do I'd be interested in seeing it!

[lvfcrook1503]

Please do I'd be interested in seeing it!

You got it. The one from Marvin's wedding is a Bashert FFP (size of the normal FFP)

This one is smaller like the 9/52 pigs.....There's only about 5 of them known to be left lol

[Hardheaded]

yep. Just wish they had more of a selection. I'm used to Wegmans up north where they have the most insane craft beer selection.

That selection gets better when you live in their hometown and get to visit their flagship stores. Gotta love make your own craft beer 6 packs.

[Merovius]

My experience with them is limited, but here is my list.

Liga Specific
Favorite: Flying Ferral Pig
Least Favorite: Liga #9
Unicorn: None, but would like to try the L40 sometime

Overall DE
Favorite: Tabac Especial Red-Eye
Least Favorite: Nica Rustica
Unicorn: None

Curious what you dont like about the 9, I really dig the robustos - a solid performing, flavorful stick that I dont need to think too much about and goes really well with an after dinner coffee.

Im a big fan of the Dirty Rat so I had high hopes for the Ratzilla but was pretty disappointed, may have been an anomaly though so hopefully the other ones I have smoke better.

[projectsunfire]

Im a big fan of the Dirty Rat so I had high hopes for the Ratzilla but was pretty disappointed, may have been an anomaly though so hopefully the other ones I have smoke better.

you probably got a dud. my first dirty rat was the same way. I bought 10 of them and was wtf...these suck. But then the other ones were good.

[Schatzman]

What could I get for a bundle of ratzillas on the open market?

[flyfisher2]

Ill take one!

[crgcpro]

What could I get for a bundle of ratzillas on the open market?

OR bundle about $275.....Recent bundle about $175-$200.

[projectsunfire]

What could I get for a bundle of ratzillas on the open market?

judging by some of the asinine prices I have seen lately...probably a human organ of your choice

[Schatzman]

OR bundle about $275.....Recent bundle about $175-$200.

Is there an easy way to tell a difference between the two?

[HIM]

Is there an easy way to tell a difference between the two?

When did you get them?

[crgcpro]

Is there an easy way to tell a difference between the two?

Yes you can smell the "Swisher Stench" on the new ones LOL.

[Schatzman]

When did you get them?

November I think.


Yes you can smell the "Swisher Stench" on the new ones LOL.

Ouch.

[crgcpro]

November I think.



Ouch.

Then you have the new ones. Very few OR bundles still around and the people that have them aren't selling them.

[Schatzman]

Then you have the new ones. Very few OR bundles still around and the people that have them aren't selling them.

I'm guessing they are in my bosses humidor at home.

[Demuths1770]

Yes you can smell the "Swisher Stench" on the new ones LOL.

I will take that Swisher smell all day now. Imo its great Swisher bought them. Means they now have a true cigar company and can use lobbiest to help keep cigar smokers separate from cig smokers

[HIM]

I will take that Swisher smell all day now. Imo its great Swisher bought them. Means they now have a true cigar company and can use lobbiest to help keep cigar smokers separate from cig smokers

Good point. Its slightly different but AB Inbev bought Goose Island and their Bourbon County releases are still amazing and highly sought after. Selling out doesn't always mean the end of a good product.

[Demuths1770]

No it doesn't. We where just talking about this at a viva event. Government lumps us cigar smokers in with cigarette smokes can't help to have a big voice in government. Plus drew estate grew in leaps that even Jonathan wasn't ready for

[Usafvet509]

Neither hater nor whore. Color me curious and intrigued. I have enjoyed T52, I really like Undercrown Corona Viva, I like KFC, and I definitely like JdN Antano. Would be interested in trying MUWAT, and the Imperial Stout from the new Smoking Monk of Esteli run. Blended for beer? Hmmmm...

[lvfcrook1503]

OR bundle about $275.....Recent bundle about $175-$200.

Not right now....Ligas are taking a hit at the moment because of the buyout. that's why i've been able to get some of the ultra rares lately. The Ratzillas are still being made so the OR bundles are not going to much more than the current production. If you have an OR bundle, just sit on it if you don't smoke them. The market will go back up. I actually think that being under new ownership you're going to see them consolidate their limited runs to 1 or 2. Based on popularity, it will probably be the FFP and ratzilla unless they start making Velvets again. In which case it would be the FFP and velvet.

[lvfcrook1503]

Neither hater nor whore. Color me curious and intrigued. I have enjoyed T52, I really like Undercrown Corona Viva, I like KFC, and I definitely like JdN Antano. Would be interested in trying MUWAT, and the Imperial Stout from the new Smoking Monk of Esteli run. Blended for beer? Hmmmm...

Trent, I have more packs coming and going than I can keep up with. Let me get caught up and then I'll send ya a MUWAT or 2 to try out.

[Usafvet509]

lvfcrook1503, that's pretty cool of you, my friend. Let me know if I have something you'd like to try out as well.

[lvfcrook1503]

lvfcrook1503, that's pretty cool of you, my friend. Let me know if I have something you'd like to try out as well.

No sir, this one's on the house...Call it a thank you for you service, and some "help" for when you have a long night in the Rig with people who just call the ambulance so they can get free meds from the ER....Yea, I miss being an EMT.....but I don't lol

[Usafvet509]

lvfcrook1503, thanks much! Yeah, you know somebody's gonna call @ 0300 when they have had the pain/illness for a week lol

[Demuths1770]

Not right now....Ligas are taking a hit at the moment because of the buyout. that's why i've been able to get some of the ultra rares lately. The Ratzillas are still being made so the OR bundles are not going to much more than the current production. If you have an OR bundle, just sit on it if you don't smoke them. The market will go back up. I actually think that being under new ownership you're going to see them consolidate their limited runs to 1 or 2. Based on popularity, it will probably be the FFP and ratzilla unless they start making Velvets again. In which case it would be the FFP and velvet.

im gonna have to aruge and disagree with you on the limited numbers going down with the buy out. in the past few months more unicos have become available because drew estate has cought up. drew estate grew in leaps and bounds that JD could not keep up with. now that a company like swisher owns it and has money and warehouse space i would expect some unicos to be eaiser to find like l40s and uf13s and more of the htfs like rats an ffps alittle easier to find. why stop making what the people want?

[projectsunfire]

why stop making what the people want?

so they can still pretend that they are all actually made in very limited quantities! if they are readily available everywhere will people still lust after them? If CI had boxes of rats and FFP's in stock all the time I think the demand would go way down. and we wouldnt see people paying far more than MSRP for them. I think a lot of the allure of the unico stuff is that its so hard to find. and we want what we cannot have.

[Demuths1770]

so they can still pretend that they are all actually made in very limited quantities! if they are readily available everywhere will people still lust after them? If CI had boxes of rats and FFP's in stock all the time I think the demand would go way down. and we wouldnt see people paying far more than MSRP for them. I think a lot of the allure of the unico stuff is that its so hard to find. and we want what we cannot have.

above msrp dose not help a company make money thats all 2nd market pricing. actually i hat to say it but....... CI sometimes has boxes of ffp sitting around. in my area the unicos are pooping up everywhere. im not saying make it a every day production but alittle easier to get like and make a much more eaiser to get line out of the l40s and uf13s since they seem to already be the easiest to get

[lvfcrook1503]

lvfcrook1503, thanks much! Yeah, you know somebody's gonna call @ 0300 when they have had the pain/illness for a week lol

Never fails lol

[lvfcrook1503]

im gonna have to aruge and disagree with you on the limited numbers going down with the buy out. in the past few months more unicos have become available because drew estate has cought up. drew estate grew in leaps and bounds that JD could not keep up with. now that a company like swisher owns it and has money and warehouse space i would expect some unicos to be eaiser to find like l40s and uf13s and more of the htfs like rats an ffps alittle easier to find. why stop making what the people want?

Because bigger companies are all about efficiency. The FFP and L40 sell for more than the 13 and DR. So if they can stop making those 2 and put more people on the job of making FFP and 40 it becomes more efficient. Make more...Sell more. In the case of the Ratzilla it costs them the same to make it but it sells for more than the 40 so I could see it replacing it.

[Demuths1770]

Because bigger companies are all about efficiency. The FFP and L40 sell for more than the 13 and DR. So if they can stop making those 2 and put more people on the job of making FFP and 40 it becomes more efficient. Make more...Sell more. In the case of the Ratzilla it costs them the same to make it but it sells for more than the 40 so I could see it replacing it.

yeah but there is a clause stating that JD still has so much control for x amount of years so i dont think anything will change soon

[projectsunfire]

above msrp dose not help a company make money thats all 2nd market pricing. actually i hat to say it but....... CI sometimes has boxes of ffp sitting around. in my area the unicos are pooping up everywhere. im not saying make it a every day production but alittle easier to get like and make a much more eaiser to get line out of the l40s and uf13s since they seem to already be the easiest to get

Agreed. I wish they were much more available. I guess it would take away the mystique but I would be happy with being able to get any of their line anytime I wanted for a decent price. I do have to laugh at CI's catalog where they don't list pricing for No. 9 & T52's...but only say "available in extremely limited quantities"

[lvfcrook1503]

yeah but there is a clause stating that JD still has so much control for x amount of years so i dont think anything will change soon

Lets hope I have more stocking up to do

I will say that the 2nd market pricing does benefit them to a point though. If someone sells a T52 for $13 no one takes notice.....If someone sells a single Bashert for $135, someone knew to the hobby would probably take notice very fast and at least inquire about the rest of the brand....Just food for thought as I head back into hell...aka Hazmat refresher where I wish I had a T52 right now lol

[Demuths1770]

Agreed. I wish they were much more available. I guess it would take away the mystique but I would be happy with being able to get any of their line anytime I wanted for a decent price. I do have to laugh at CI's catalog where they don't list pricing for No. 9 & T52's...but only say "available in extremely limited quantities"

thats becasue the catalog dose not have live inventory like the online dose and the rate could also change on them. they list the prices online. the t52s and 9s are not as hard to find. that line is a prime example of how fast drew estate has grown. at the last event i was at they where gonning to be the most available liga. when they came out with them they where so popular that drew estate didnt have enough tobacco or rollers to keep up with production. as time has gone on that has changed and they have the tobacco in stock and the rollers to roll so they are more available

[flyfisher2]

So where do you guys tend to get most of your liga's from, mainly the HTF stuff. Online? B&M?


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[Demuths1770]

So where do you guys tend to get most of your liga's from, mainly the HTF stuff. Online? B&M?


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B&Ms and online forums and groups that deal in cigar

[lvfcrook1503]

So where do you guys tend to get most of your liga's from, mainly the HTF stuff. Online? B&M?


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Yeah My B&M gets them occasionally or a couple guys I'm friends with on here grab them and ship them to me.....Super HTF stuff you need to private sale because most of that stuff was not production just special occasion cigars

[Belmate85]

Dirty Rat! Perfect cigar size for me.

[gordo1473]

Dirty Rat! Perfect cigar size for me.

It's my favorite liga, followed closely by the FFP

[MrMotoyoshi]

I've smoked a No 9 and a Ratzilla. They were both really tasty.

The Ratzilla almost reminded me of Esoterica Stonehaven. Keeping the rarity comparisons aside, it was very sweet and smooth. That blend has a sweetener (treacle?) and the Ratzilla was very sweet. That's where I draw my comparison.

I feel very privileged that a fellow BOTL gave me them to try.

[lvfcrook1503]

HIM as promised Cole.... The one in cello is the one you're used to....pic looks a little weird from the flash reflecting

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n20/lvfc_rook_1503/782A8D9C-015C-431D-A135-1C732810633C_zpst5r9ve61.jpg

Posted this up real quick last night just so I wouldn't forget HIM. The back story on it is that when they first started making the Basherts for Marvin's wedding, the workers mistakenly took a small group of No.9 pigs and wrapped them with Bashert bands. Once they realized it, they kept them for themselves and gave a few out as gifts. From what I understand there are only about 5 known to be left. It's one of the few that even JD doesn't have I believe

[projectsunfire]

wow LP porn

[sparky426]

I smoked a T52 pig a few months ago. They are way past their prime IMO. Just from a smokable cigar point of view, they aren't worth $5. If a fresh batch is released, go for it. Otherwise I'd pass. If you want them as a collector, ignore everything I just said.


Very true,paid an arm for one and itwasway over its prime

[lvfcrook1503]

lvfcrook1503, thanks much! Yeah, you know somebody's gonna call @ 0300 when they have had the pain/illness for a week lol

Trent I didn't forget you bro....almost caught up lol. Hoping to get that pack to you this week

[flyfisher2]

So over the past two weeks I've picked up two Ratzillas and two Dirty Rats, the question is when do I light them up or how long do I admire their beautifulness (defiantly not a made up word)?

[lvfcrook1503]

So over the past two weeks I've picked up two Ratzillas and two Dirty Rats, the question is when do I light them up or how long do I admire their beautifulness (defiantly not a made up word)?

Smoke them.....They're not that HTF since they are released yearly

[flyfisher2]

So which one should I start with?

[lvfcrook1503]

Smoke them.....They're not that HTF since they are released yearly

DR! That way if you don't like the flavor profile it's a shorter smoke. Ratzilla is similar just some different little nuances so if you totally hate the DR the Zilla more than likely won't chance your mind.

[Schatzman]

Smoke them.....They're not that HTF since they are released yearly

The dirty rats aren't hard to find. The ratzillas are harder to find.

Here is my liga porn photo for everyone today.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/12/5117800f9ee18c0e6f8778773422069e.jpg

[flyfisher2]

So do you not like Dirty Rats? Haha


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[Schatzman]

So do you not like Dirty Rats? Haha


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I like them just fine. Just DE ships more of them than anything else. L40 is my favorite, but I am a Lancero guy.

[HIM]

An example of why a buyout isn't always a bad thing....http://halfwheel.com/drew-estate-changes-papas-fritas-packaging-lowers-price/81657

[Demuths1770]

Nice big time score right there!! I buy em singe anyways so this is better

[HabanoMan]

Not a fan. have tried the T52, #9, Undercrown and FFP. All way too one dimensional for me. The flavor was not too bad but just the same taste from light to end.

[lvfcrook1503]

Not a fan. have tried the T52, #9, Undercrown and FFP. All way too one dimensional for me. The flavor was not too bad but just the same taste from light to end.

Agreed although I like the 52...I mostly stick to the collecting end of it now lol

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n20/lvfc_rook_1503/340591E3-F6C2-48C4-ABBE-ADC25CB858AD_zpsmamu9xl4.jpg

[Sweet Cigars]

I have always been a fan of DE but I haven't tried many of their lines. When I first started smoking cigars I was into "Sweet Cigars" so the ACID and Natural lines were my favorites. I just recently had a KFC and it was awesome. Looking forward to trying more of their "Non Sweet Cigars".

[UncleFesterESQ]

Don't know if there's a new Liga thread, but I had my 1st Liga 9 toro the other night and FELL IN LOVE!! Just ordered (2) 4 packs from Small Batch. If anyone has a box of these they know they're never going to smoke, let me know. WOW!! (Ok, a little over excited, but still...)

[lvfcrook1503]

UncleFesterESQ That's how the disease starts...next will be T52, then unicos, and before you know it....Boom liga whore status. Ask me how I know...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n20/lvfc_rook_1503/974051B7-1E4C-4FC1-B82B-F544AC5743A9_zpsreyqj8rc.jpg

[droy1958]

UncleFesterESQ That's how the disease starts...next will be T52, then unicos, and before you know it....Boom liga whore status. Ask me how I know...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n20/lvfc_rook_1503/974051B7-1E4C-4FC1-B82B-F544AC5743A9_zpsreyqj8rc.jpg

That's just shameful... Now go back to your room!...

[Keeper01]

The LP #9 is one of my favorite cigars. I've smoked a T52 and it was good, but didn't live up to the hype with me. The one FFP that I've had was pretty amazing.

[projectsunfire]

Wow bringing this back from the dead! I have been slacking on my LP whoring...need to step up the game.


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[sparky426]

FFP all time favorite liga. Prefer T52 over no9 and haven't enjoyed any undercrown nica rustica or KFC I've had so far, maybe I should rest them.

[projectsunfire]

FFP all time favorite liga. Prefer T52 over no9 and haven't enjoyed any undercrown nica rustica or KFC I've had so far, maybe I should rest them.

That is exactly my opinion too. The UF13 is a really close 2nd to the FFP tho


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[Big Bull]

I like the L-40 quite a bit.

[sparky426]

I have a couple I've never fired up. Sounds like a good time to.

[Big Bull]

FFP all time favorite liga. Prefer T52 over no9 and haven't enjoyed any undercrown nica rustica or KFC I've had so far, maybe I should rest them.

if you revisit the Undercrown go for the Corona Viva size. Different taste then the rest.

[sparky426]

I think I have one recently given to me, I'm actually smoking a nica right now that I also received it had a date of 12\14 and I can tell its mellowed quite a bit. Maybe they just need rest, I'm he'll on smoking em ROTT

[Demuths1770]

UncleFesterESQ That's how the disease starts...next will be T52, then unicos, and before you know it....Boom liga whore status. Ask me how I know...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n20/lvfc_rook_1503/974051B7-1E4C-4FC1-B82B-F544AC5743A9_zpsreyqj8rc.jpg

this guy has a huge problem. i was a liga whore before i met jimmy and now i am just 10 times worse because of him lol

[lvfcrook1503]

this guy has a huge problem. i was a liga whore before i met jimmy and now i am just 10 times worse because of him lol

It's not a bad problem to have...until you get to the point that you can't find the ones missing from your collection.

Wait till I get you going on Bourbon whoring =D

[Demuths1770]

i guess its only fair i got you onto viva whoring lmao

[dj1340]

Heading to a L.P event Thurs with JD in the house. heard the last of the Manifesto's are being sold.

[Big Bull]

Heading to a L.P event Thurs with JD in the house. heard the last of the Manifesto's are being sold.

Manifesto's?

[c.ortiz108]

So considering that most people say DEs are best smoked relatively fresh and don't age well, will you DE whores actually get through your collections before they start to fade?

[Demuths1770]

So considering that most people say DEs are best smoked relatively fresh and don't age well, will you DE whores actually get through your collections before they start to fade?

jimmys is actually a collection! many he will not smoke same as me. my Manifesto coffin will not be smoke unless i get another one. they had a ton of Manifestos at the event i went to. i actually ahd to go buy some single sticks to get enough for the coffin. i dont see them ever selling them (even though they are not marked as not for sale like the As)

[ky70]

My palate is weird and I know it. Part of the weirdness includes not being moved by some cigars that many others love. I've been wowed by a single Liga here or there but I generally get very little flavor out of em (crazy, right). I've sampled FFP, L40, UF13, UF4, T52, #9 and none consistently sings to me. Ironically, I do like the regular production Undercrown but I like most all cigars with San Andres Maduro wrappers.

My palate also doesn't wake up for most Tats either (excluding TAA 2014, Avion 11, Black Label CG).

[Automator]

Heading to a L.P event Thurs with JD in the house. heard the last of the Manifesto's are being sold.
Don, I'll be there as well. Any other Bums going to be at Jungle Jim's in Fairfield, OH on Thursday?

[dj1340]

Don, I'll be there as well. Any other Bums going to be at Jungle Jim's in Fairfield, OH on Thursday?

Not sure how many there are here. I plan on getting there early to get a seat, my guess it will be crowded

[lvfcrook1503]

Heading to a L.P event Thurs with JD in the house. heard the last of the Manifesto's are being sold.

Not sure why this would be. He just posted that he stocked up on them for Catsfest and they haven't announced a new Event Cigar yet.


Manifesto's?

Event only cigar that comes in Coffins of 2. Took the place of the Liga A. something like 9.25 x 38 and is a Liga Blend in a Herrera Estelli Wrapper


So considering that most people say DEs are best smoked relatively fresh and don't age well, will you DE whores actually get through your collections before they start to fade?

Basically what Kyle Said. I have some stuff to smoke and some for the collectors aspect. Kyle and I actually argue about the effects of the Swisher buy out. I personally feel quality has already started to take a hit due to the bigger business/higher production aspect so I chose to stock up on the normal Unico Line before they are ALL new production. To me the newer 9s/52s are not as flavorful and I have actually had a new release FFP blow up on me. The whole aging bad thing is really only for the 9s IMO. The T52s just mellow out a bit and the Unico Line is fine with Age. I smoked a couple year old Ratzilla on mothers day and it was phenomenal. However, to actually answer your question, if I feel the quality is declining, yes I will easily smoke through all the ones I have to smoke lol.


My palate is weird and I know it. Part of the weirdness includes not being moved by some cigars that many others love. I've been wowed by a single Liga here or there but I generally get very little flavor out of em (crazy, right). I've sampled FFP, L40, UF13, UF4, T52, #9 and none consistently sings to me. Ironically, I do like the regular production Undercrown but I like most all cigars with San Andres Maduro wrappers.

My palate also doesn't wake up for most Tats either (excluding TAA 2014, Avion 11, Black Label CG).

Not weird at all brother. Smoke what you like and like what you smoke. That's what it's all about. I will say the newer stuff is no where near as good as the older stuff. If I can track down an older T52 or Unico I'll send it to you to try and see if there's a difference for ya. Most of mine are still in sealed boxes so I'll have to ask around. Can't promise anything


Not sure how many there are here. I plan on getting there early to get a seat, my guess it will be crowded

Just a heads up, the deal at CI was a box of Liga or 2 boxes of Unico for 1 Manifesto Coffin. Infused stuff and Monks didn't count towards it, and I can't remember if Undercrown did.

[Demuths1770]

I agree quality may go down down for drew estate but I think the biggest factor for that will be how long JD is involved. I like the fact that Swisher can help lobby for cigar smokers now that they own a actual cigar company. And it seems like the deal was 2 boxes unico or 18 singles or box of ligas got manifestos. Undercrowns acids and Amy other line of box purchase was the 5 free cigars cutter hat shirt deal.

[Big Bull]

Event only cigar that comes in Coffins of 2. Took the place of the Liga A. something like 9.25 x 38 and is a Liga Blend in a Herrera Estelli Wrapper

thanks for that info....somehow I hadn't heard that.

I'd give you a rg bump but I can't :stogie:

[lvfcrook1503]

thanks for that info....somehow I hadn't heard that.

I'd give you a rg bump but I can't :stogie:

No worries.....glad my liga whore knowledge can help someone else instead of just cost me $$ lmao

[Big Bull]

lol....know the feeling