Help us settle a debate

[DogRockets]

Horseshoe and I apparently had a bet that I wouldn't buy any cigars until the 4th of July (after buying the 22 lb box from Heath earlier this year). The stakes were a cigar of the others choice for the winner.

Brent is now claiming I lost the bet.

Here are the facts:
- Previously I had sent some money to someone using paypal with no description in the message area. Essentially a gift if you will.
- Today I received a box of Tat Jekyll in the mail. 9 in the box - not even a full box. It was an apparent bomb from another brother.

Brent claims this was a purchase and he gets a cigar from me. I say I still haven't bought anything.

Time for another famous DogRockets poll - who wins the bet?

[UncleFesterESQ]

The question I have is if the person you sent the PP "gift" to was the same person who "bombed" you with the Tats?

[Horseshoe]

Let's please add to the findings that DogRockets purchased a total of 2 sticks on Thursday at a B&M. So, not only did he lose the bet by buying the Tats, he also bought 2 sticks at a shop.

The biggest question of all is: WHAT STICK SHOULD I CHOOSE AS MY PAYOFF?

[DogRockets]

The question I have is if the person you sent the PP "gift" to was the same person who "bombed" you with the Tats?

It's hard to say. The paypal went to an email address and the bomber listed a physical return address on the package but there was no note inside indicating an email address.

Essentially there is no way to ever learn this answer I'm afraid.

[UncleFesterESQ]

Let's please add to the findings that DogRockets purchased a total of 2 sticks on Thursday at a B&M. So, not only did he lose the bet by buying the Tats, he also bought 2 sticks at a shop.

The biggest question of all is: WHAT STICK SHOULD I CHOOSE AS MY PAYOFF?
Hmmm... Well, if you go into a B&M you are obligated to buy at least one stick... this would be outside of the bet IMHO. But 2 sticks???? Hmmmm.... Still waiting for a reply to my original question.

[UncleFesterESQ]

It's hard to say. The paypal went to an email address and the bomber listed a physical return address on the package but there was no note inside indicating an email address.

Essentially there is no way to ever learn this answer I'm afraid.

Sounds like Tom Brady's deflategate story going on here. Horseshoe wins!!!

[OldSkoolTarHeel]

I'm with Horseshoe on this 1,000,000%. Even without the "random bomb" of 9 Jekylls (is anybody buying his argument here), you bought TWO cigars at a B&M.

PAY UP SUCKA!!!

[Horseshoe]

It's hard to say. The paypal went to an email address and the bomber listed a physical return address on the package but there was no note inside indicating an email address.

Essentially there is no way to ever learn this answer I'm afraid.

What if I were to show you a screen shot of said transaction where it listed the seller and BUYER? Would this be sufficient evidence to show DogRockets did in fact knowingly purchase cigars, thus losing the bet?

[DogRockets]

Hmmm... Well, if you go into a B&M you are obligated to buy at least one stick... this would be outside of the bet IMHO. But 2 sticks???? Hmmmm.... Still waiting for a reply to my original question.


I'm with Horseshoe on this 1,000,000%. Even without the "random bomb" of 9 Jekylls (is anybody buying his argument here), you bought TWO cigars at a B&M.

PAY UP SUCKA!!!
Horseshoe has left out a key fact - B&M purchases were exempted from the bet - so it still seems like I win

[Tgs679]

Let's please add to the findings that DogRockets purchased a total of 2 sticks on Thursday at a B&M. So, not only did he lose the bet by buying the Tats, he also bought 2 sticks at a shop.

The biggest question of all is: WHAT STICK SHOULD I CHOOSE AS MY PAYOFF?
A Jekyll

[Chadderkdawg]

The only way to be sure is for me to examine the Jekyll's, I'll pm my mailing address....

[OldSkoolTarHeel]

Horseshoe has left out a key fact - B&M purchases were exempted from the bet - so it still seems like I win

Sadly, this doesn't change it for me. I still say Horseshoe wins this one. There's no way somebody bombs 9 Jekylls. Sorry bro, but I shall say it once again:

PAY UP SUCKA!!!

[Horseshoe]

Horseshoe has left out a key fact - B&M purchases were exempted from the bet - so it still seems like I win

False. I have a screenshot of said conversation where you asked for the B&M exclusions, but I said no exclusions. Then we agreed to the bet.

Time to pay up! I didn't make you pay up on my last victory, but this one will be collected!

[DogRockets]

False. I have a screenshot of said conversation where you asked for the B&M exclusions, but I said no exclusions. Then we agreed to the bet.

Time to pay up! I didn't make you pay up on my last victory, but this one will be collected!

This sounds like something out of science fiction. You can doctor any conversation now using photoshop. No credible evidence exists.

[JollyRogers]

DogRockets you voted for yourself didn't you...

For that alone I say you lose!

[Horseshoe]

This sounds like something out of science fiction. You can doctor any conversation now using photoshop. No credible evidence exists.

Lol. Ok OJ, this glove does fit, and you are paying up! I will ask the people of Cigar Bum to select my stick. Poll will go live at 5pm.

[DogRockets]

DogRockets you voted for yourself didn't you...

For that alone I say you lose!

No credible evidence exists to support that either. The voting results aren't public.

[Horseshoe]

DogRockets you voted for yourself didn't you...

For that alone I say you lose!

You know he did. He is pathetic like that!

[UncleFesterESQ]

As far as payment goes, I'd say we're in Opus, Padron 1926, Davidoff, Liga Privada, etc... area here. Let him keep his beloved Jekyll's as a reminder of what he's done.

[x man]

As far as payment goes, I'd say we're in Opus, Padron 1926, Davidoff, Liga Privada, etc... area here. Let him keep his beloved Jekyll's as a reminder of what he's done.

Leave it to our resident ESQ. to put things in proper perspective.
Also, "me thinks he doth protest too much". Over one cigar, hardly worth the stamps, make it 2
for making this a betgate. :stogie:

[Zeede]

(Dramatic announcer voice)
Next time, on As The Cigar Burns...

...will Horseshoe produce the original documents?
...will the mystery bomber step forward and be revealed?
...will we find out who shot J.R.?

Tune in tomorrow, for the exciting conclusion of As The Cigar Burns!

[jp1979]

I agree with what has been said. NOBODY would randomly bomb you 9 Jekyll. That's $120 bucks worth of cigars, what was the PP amount? Close to that I bet. DogRockets you know you lost, just pay the man. Horseshoe I would make him give you a Jekyll.

[Bernardini]

I agree with what has been said. NOBODY would randomly bomb you 9 Jekyll. That's $120 bucks worth of cigars, what was the PP amount? Close to that I bet. DogRockets you know you lost, just pay the man. Horseshoe I would make him give you a Jekyll.

Justin nailed it. Unless it was Mother Teresa, no one is bombing you $120 in cigars. Also, your explanations are too vague, you should go work for the Patriots.

Pay up! Horseshoe gets one of his choosing, plus a Jekyll for trying to wuss out on the bet!

[Demuths1770]

i like the Jekyll plus one of his choice for Horseshoe since it seems the bet was lost not once but twice and also suspicious tackets where used to play the field!!!

[Horseshoe]

Jeremy, who did you pay off to vote for you?

[jp1979]

I have inside information, I know where he got them from.

[Demuths1770]

i was just thinking the same thing lol

[Horseshoe]

I have inside information, I know where he got them from.

Yes you do.


Now who else voted for Jeremy.

[Horseshoe]

Justin nailed it. Unless it was Mother Teresa, no one is bombing you $120 in cigars. Also, your explanations are too vague, you should go work for the Patriots.

Pay up! Horseshoe gets one of his choosing, plus a Jekyll for trying to wuss out on the bet!

You do have a point. Maybe he should pony up 2 sticks. I like where your head is at.

[jp1979]

Yes you do.


Now who else voted for Jeremy.

it wasn't from me but I know who he got them from.

[Horseshoe]

it wasn't from me but I know who he got them from.

I know who he got them from. I saw the feedback from both parties.

You just "know" things. Lots of things.

[jp1979]

I know who he got them from. I saw the feedback from both parties.

You just "know" things. Lots of things.

also:

http://www.botl.org/trade/feedback/paid-immediately-what-more-can-you-ask-for.49235/view

[Ilroy]

I wish I would have read more than DogRockets original post before rushing my vote in...that'll teach me to trust his word at face value ever again. Please mark me down as a changed vote in my heart since it prolly won't change in this poll.

[Horseshoe]

also:

http://www.botl.org/trade/feedback/paid-immediately-what-more-can-you-ask-for.49235/view

Lol. Yes in deed sir. I was about to post the images of said transaction.

Here is one from the Buyer.

http://www.botl.org/trade/feedback/fast-shipping-and-packaged-great-thanks.49234/view

[jp1979]

And an attempt for the win:

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i235/dupapecrazy/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-05-14-13-18-39.png (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/dupapecrazy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-05-14-13-18-39.png.html)

Give up Jeremy and just pay him.

[Old Smokey]

DogRocket needs to pay up and to show he isn't the lying dirty scumbag weasel that he appears to be, he should gladly pay double. I mean, come on Dog, pay the man. Enough of this Bill Clinton, I did not have sexual relations with this person crap. You used that cigar on Monica and you know it. ARod? Pete Rose? Richard Milhouse Nixon? Dude, aren't you better man? It's your rep on the line!

[jp1979]

DogRockets Horseshoe and I know where the Jekyll came from too.... They were not a bomb....

*for disclosure purposes he didn't tell me, the proof is in a post....* Real subtle Jeremy.

[Horseshoe]

And an attempt for the win:

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i235/dupapecrazy/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-05-14-13-18-39.png (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/dupapecrazy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-05-14-13-18-39.png.html)

Give up Jeremy and just pay him.

The good news is, he has one lest cigar to find storage for :)

[droy1958]

Errrrrr.... BUSTED!.....pay up cuz...

[DogRockets]

Man I step into a meeting and come out only to find cigarbum has gone crazy!

[jp1979]

Man I step into a meeting and come out only to find cigarbum has gone crazy!

You gonna pay the man now?

[Emperor Zurg]

Betting is the same as gambling.
Gambling is a sin. You must know that, yet you callously did it anyway.

I think both you assholes should send me not one or two but seven cigars each as punishment for your wickedness.

:D

[droy1958]

Man I step into a meeting and come out only to find cigarbum has gone crazy!

Word on the street is that a whippin' post is being constructed. Don't know why though.... ;)

[Lynn]

Horseshoe and I apparently had a bet that I wouldn't buy any cigars until the 4th of July (after buying the 22 lb box from Heath earlier this year). The stakes were a cigar of the others choice for the winner.

Brent is now claiming I lost the bet.

Here are the facts:
- Previously I had sent some money to someone using paypal with no description in the message area. Essentially a gift if you will.
- Today I received a box of Tat Jekyll in the mail. 9 in the box - not even a full box. It was an apparent bomb from another brother.

Brent claims this was a purchase and he gets a cigar from me. I say I still haven't bought anything.

Time for another famous DogRockets poll - who wins the bet?

APRIL 1st you posted that you had made a purchase....I had 11 days it was 11 days..you posted...if its posted it happened....get that CIGAR Horseshoe

[DogRockets]

APRIL 1st you posted that you had made a purchase....I had 11 days it was 11 days..you posted...if its posted it happened....get that CIGAR Horseshoe

That post was an April fool's joke based on a famous cigar post they had. No cigars exchanged hands then.

[jp1979]

That post was an April fool's joke based on a famous cigar post they had. No cigars exchanged hands then.

still busted

[Horseshoe]

still busted

Yup. He lost.

[jhedrick83]

Did DogRockets vote 3 times?!? ;)

[Lynn]

That post was an April fool's joke based on a famous cigar post they had. No cigars exchanged hands then.

well on this one you made a foundation contribution..an received compensation...get that CIGAR Horseshoe.....

[BrianWilliams]

Fellow bums, as all of you have noticed I've been missing lately. Don't worry, I'm ok. Just working on my big comeback show after my suspension is lifted. It's gonna be must-see television!

But the travesty of this poll and thread has made me break my silence. I was there when this bet was made. Horseshoe is wrong. He clearly said bombs were exempt from this wager. I've reviewed the data presented above and must say it's up there with the best fabricated evidence I've ever seen! Someone created a fake website, populated it with a faux DogRockets, and left trader feedback. Doctored screen shots of "conversations" obviously edited by photoshop. On and on. What a great night time story to tell your kids! Fiction!

While the majority of cigarbum has erroneously voted for Horseshoe , he will still lose this poll. Much like the United States of America and our presidential vote, an electoral college was established by cigarbum for situations such as this. Much like my main man, creator of the internet and thus creator of cigarbum Al Gore found out in 2000, the popular vote does not mean victory. And thus, Brent has lost.
Horseshoe , give DogRockets his cigar!

[DogRockets]

Fellow bums, as all of you have noticed I've been missing lately. Don't worry, I'm ok. Just working on my big comeback show after my suspension is lifted. It's gonna be must-see television!

But the travesty of this poll and thread has made me break my silence. I was there when this bet was made. Horseshoe is wrong. He clearly said bombs were exempt from this wager. I've reviewed the data presented above and must say it's up there with the best fabricated evidence I've ever seen! Someone created a fake website, populated it with a faux DogRockets, and left trader feedback. Doctored screen shots of "conversations" obviously edited by photoshop. On and on. What a great night time story to tell your kids! Fiction!

While the majority of cigarbum has erroneously voted for Horseshoe , he will still lose this poll. Much like the United States of America and our presidential vote, an electoral college was established by cigarbum for situations such as this. Much like my main man, creator of the internet and thus creator of cigarbum Al Gore found out in 2000, the popular vote does not mean victory. And thus, Brent has lost.
Horseshoe , give DogRockets his cigar!

Finally some common sense around here!

[droy1958]

Finally some common sense around here!

Looks like Mr. Williams found his crack pipe....;)

[jp1979]

see post #15:

http://www.cigarbum.com/forum/showthread.php?3297-Same-name…New-site/page2

then reference this thread:

http://www.botl.org/threads/de-uc-pigs-and-tat-monsters-jv13-and-the-jekyll.80686/

[Zeede]

This thread is too weird.

[jp1979]

In a court of law your as guilty as Aaron Hernandez

[DogRockets]

see post #15:

http://www.cigarbum.com/forum/showthread.php?3297-Same-name…New-site/page2

then reference this thread:

http://www.botl.org/threads/de-uc-pigs-and-tat-monsters-jv13-and-the-jekyll.80686/

You're reading way too much into that Matlock Bum! Just a friendly hello was all. A simple welcome to cigarbum. Plus I received 9 Jekylls as the bomb, not 4 Jekylls and 3 Jasons.

[jp1979]

You're reading way too much into that Matlock Bum! Just a friendly hello was all. A simple welcome to cigarbum. Plus I received 9 Jekylls as the bomb, not 4 Jekylls and 3 Jasons.

I might add that I know him personally, so I can just ask him.

[jp1979]

Care to change your story?

[UncleFesterESQ]

DogRockets

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll27/UncleFesterESQ/article-2231782-15FDE975000005DC-238_964x401_zpsvxmttlnv.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/UncleFesterESQ/media/article-2231782-15FDE975000005DC-238_964x401_zpsvxmttlnv.jpg.html)

[DogRockets]

Care to change your story?

Alright! I confess! I thought there was no paper trail but the investigative skills of cigarbum were too much for me to overcome. Horseshoe stand up and collect your winnings - an aged Dark Shark!

[Lynn]

Alright! I confess! I thought there was no paper trail but the investigative skills of cigarbum were too much for me to overcome. Horseshoe stand up and collect your winnings - an aged Dark Shark!

I thought HE GOT TO CHOOSE??????

[UncleFesterESQ]

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll27/UncleFesterESQ/down-goes-frazier-cossell-s-famous-call-demotivational-poster-1275938640-1_zps0oz8bvqo.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/UncleFesterESQ/media/down-goes-frazier-cossell-s-famous-call-demotivational-poster-1275938640-1_zps0oz8bvqo.jpg.html)

[Horseshoe]

I thought HE GOT TO CHOOSE??????

No Joke!

[UncleFesterESQ]

Now I'm curious to see if DogRockets even has Dark Sharks and if so, how many???

EDIT: I aint knockin' them... hell, they could be the Opus of the $1 cigars. I'm just curious.

[Schatzman]

Sadly, this doesn't change it for me. I still say Horseshoe wins this one. There's no way somebody bombs 9 Jekylls. Sorry bro, but I shall say it once again:

PAY UP SUCKA!!!

I think I bombed someone more then that. It was a gift with a purchase. Paging UncleFesterESQ to the white courtesy phone. To the white courtesy phone please.

[UncleFesterESQ]

I think I bombed someone more then that. It was a gift with a purchase. Paging UncleFesterESQ to the white courtesy phone. To the white courtesy phone please.

My Uncle Schatzman is very generous... :stogie:

[Old Smokey]

I think it may be time for a cigar intervention on DogRockets. Lying about purchases, hiding them from others, saying he isn't going to buy any more cigars for months, ostracizing his friends, etc. Classic addictive behavior. Don't hate the person, hate the disease.

[jp1979]

I think I bombed someone more then that. It was a gift with a purchase. Paging UncleFesterESQ to the white courtesy phone. To the white courtesy phone please.

Exactly, a gift WITH A PURCHASE.

[Schatzman]

My Uncle Schatzman is very generous... :stogie:

We would have a weird family dynamic. I think I am everyone's junior on the forum.

[Tobias Lutz]

DogRockets

This one isn't lookin' good for you bro :)

http://media.giphy.com/media/ewnZwi8EKVo6k/giphy-facebook_s.jpg

[Billb1960]

A wise king once had a dilemma similar to this. His solution was to cut the baby in half. OK maybe it wasn't that similar...

[Engineer99]

I only read a little of this thread, but this is why I dig the folks here...It's like we all live next to each other and hang out, exchange jokes, stories, bitch about work, share the good and bad..... and make lame bets...

[sparky426]

Since we have now all been involved in this drama everyone is owed a smoke

[williegstyles]

(Dramatic announcer voice)
Next time, on As The Cigar Burns...

...will Horseshoe produce the original documents?
...will the mystery bomber step forward and be revealed?
...will we find out who shot J.R.?

Tune in tomorrow, for the exciting conclusion of As The Cigar Burns!

The Bums want to know who the mystery Jekyll Bomber is…He's definitely one "generous" bomber.

[jp1979]

DogRockets look who showed up, the MONSTER SCARY guy.

[williegstyles]

see post #15:

http://www.cigarbum.com/forum/showthread.php?3297-Same-name…New-site/page2

then reference this thread:

http://www.botl.org/threads/de-uc-pigs-and-tat-monsters-jv13-and-the-jekyll.80686/

Apparently DogRockets is afraid of "MONSTERS"

[WNYTONY]

To be fair - it was a sucker bet. I mean who among us really thought Mr. Rockets would even come close to July ?
But a bet is a bet and Horseshoe is the smart gambler who made it and won.
Pay up Jeremy
And I agree that a Jekyll should also be given as a penalty for attempted cigar bet evasion
Padron is it Brent - send him a picture while he's working again !

[Horseshoe]

To be fair - it was a sucker bet. I mean who among us really thought Mr. Rockets would even come close to July ?
But a bet is a bet and Horseshoe is the smart gambler who made it and won.
Pay up Jeremy
And I agree that a Jekyll should also be given as a penalty for attempted cigar bet evasion
Padron is it Brent - send him a picture while he's working again !

It is hard to argue with logic like this. My winning stick plus a bonus Jekyll because Jeremy tried to scam me out of my winnings.

Looks like DogRockets may not have to worry about storing 2 sticks :)

[04EDGE40]

Sadly, this doesn't change it for me. I still say Horseshoe wins this one. There's no way somebody bombs 9 Jekylls. Sorry bro, but I shall say it once again:

PAY UP SUCKA!!!


I agree with what has been said. NOBODY would randomly bomb you 9 Jekyll. That's $120 bucks worth of cigars, what was the PP amount? Close to that I bet. DogRockets you know you lost, just pay the man. Horseshoe I would make him give you a Jekyll.


Justin nailed it. Unless it was Mother Teresa, no one is bombing you $120 in cigars. Also, your explanations are too vague, you should go work for the Patriots.

Pay up! Horseshoe gets one of his choosing, plus a Jekyll for trying to wuss out on the bet!

Prepare to have your worlds rocked. And as far as I know this guy isn't Mother Teresa...

http://www.botl.org/threads/aftershock-and-devistation.80360/

[jp1979]

Prepare to have your worlds rocked. And as far as I know this guy isn't Mother Teresa...

http://www.botl.org/threads/aftershock-and-devistation.80360/
Dogrockets already admitted he paid for them

[WNYTONY]

Clearly it is not very "Partner-like" behavior DogRockets

You're not Penske material

[Old Smokey]

Clearly it is not very "Partner-like" behavior DogRockets

You're not Penske material

Like he's trying to give us Bums a bad rep. He had better open up his humi and let Horseshoe pick a Dirty Dozen. Then we can all sing "For he's a jolly good fellow".

[DogRockets]

Clearly it is not very "Partner-like" behavior DogRockets

You're not Penske material

I was transferring the contents of the file into this flexible accordion-style folder.

And WNYTONY, you are aware that Pensky is interested in me

[04EDGE40]

Dogrockets already admitted he paid for them

Oh I know that... this link is something different.

I was giving you an example of someone who DID give more than $120 in cigars. It's the most unbelievable bomb I've ever seen.

[OldSkoolTarHeel]

Oh I know that... this link is something different.

I was giving you an example of someone who DID give more than $120 in cigars. It's the most unbelievable bomb I've ever seen.

I tried to go to that page, but first I needed to sign up. After seventeen unsuccessful attempts at the captcha, because I'm a moron, I STILL can't see the link because I don't have permission. LOL What a day!

[04EDGE40]

I tried to go to that page, but first I needed to sign up. After seventeen unsuccessful attempts at the captcha, because I'm a moron, I STILL can't see the link because I don't have permission. LOL What a day!

I hope this is allowed, but here's the pics...

This is a singular bomb from one BOTL to another.

http://www.botl.org/media/img_0889.47026/full

http://www.botl.org/media/img_0890.47027/full

http://www.botl.org/media/img_0891.47028/full

http://www.botl.org/media/img_0895.47029/full

http://www.botl.org/media/img_0896.47030/full

http://www.botl.org/media/img_0897.47031/full

http://www.botl.org/media/img_0898.47032/full

http://www.botl.org/media/img_0902.47033/full

http://www.botl.org/media/img_0903.47034/full

[Zeede]

The pics are not displaying for me.

[StogieNinja]

Dark Sharks... hell, they could be the Opus of the $1 cigars.

What, you mean overpriced for what they are?

[sparky426]

The pics are not displaying for me.


It's several hundred bucks in cigars, that's all.

[Zeede]

That was a bomb? Uh, what?

[PMR]

Horseshoe wins this one in my opinion.